President Trump is announcing today that he is canceling US participation in the Paris Climate Accord agreed to by President Obama. From CNN.com
“The Paris Accord is a BAD deal for Americans, and the President’s action today is keeping his campaign promise to put American workers first,” the talking points read. “The accord was negotiated poorly by the Obama administration and signed out of desperation. It frontloads costs on the American people to the detriment of our economy.”
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Yee-haa! A really, really bad deal that means very little to the health of the planet! Was really just window dressing for my dollars supplementing the rest of the world.
How was it a bad deal from the US perspective? It required nothing of us, had no enforcement provisions against us. Our CEOs and major corporations counseled approval. Our allies asked us to join their alliance. Now we stand with Nicaragua and Syria, three countries against the world. General Mattis disagrees with you, Downstater.
This is untrue.
Remember this idiocy after the mid-term elections. And remember who among you led you astray.
President Trump,
In 2012 you spoke in Lynchburg, Va.
You talked of this climate agreement,
saying around the world they are laughing at us for signing this , we are scrubbing our coal other countries are not. You continued on speaking to the crowd about the business community you must make them play fair.
So your keeping your promises, uh hugh right.
You said ALL THE ILLEGAL ARE GOING HOME.
Then you were elected and suddenly the DACA children are near and dear to your heart, awwww bless your heart.
Now the illegal aliens are still in my area working illegally because they are allowed to be employeed illegally, NOT FAIR, promise renigged?
http://watchdog.org/202012/subcontractors-shadow-economy
How can a honest business owner make other bussiness play FAIR when elected officals do not keep the campaign words/promises spoken.
Will illegal aliens be mining the coal for AEP? , just as they have been taking Va. Construction jobs ? Excuse me , given.
No, I will not attend your pep rally in DC (District of Corruption) tomorrow, I have to compete with illegal commerce in Conservative Lynchburg, Va.
Your hands are big enough to pat yourself on the back , I have real work to do.
Yours Truly ,
Your supporter,
The real American worker.
Americanism starts from the bottom up.
Agree. We must keep up the pressure – we were promised a crack down on illegals and end to DACA. I say deport every last illegal.
Presidents Trump’s weakness on illegal immigration calls all of us to task.
1) We must nominate Corey Stewart for Governor
2) We must elect Corey Stewart as Governor
3) We must force Governor Stewart to veto Delegate Minchews Bill HB253 AND
send it back to the Senate Committee on Commerce and labor instructing them of it govermental growth with absolutely no benefit to the Commonwealth and end the letter saying if the need workers compensation insurance for employees should we not be requiring within the same legislation a VEC account requirements for the same employees that your beading heart is looking out for.
END SANTURARY EMPLOYMENT IN VA.
What would white collar ed do?
Downstater: Do you support deporting illegals who fought for our country in our military? Really?
How did illegals get into our military. Are you saying obama didn’t vet properly and illegally?
Apparently you did not realize America has invited illegals to fight with our Army during times of war. Not Obama’s wars — before that, but Obama proposed to make it normal. Obama deported more people than any POTUS in history.
Trump doesn’t want to deport them:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/7/donald-trump-says-illegal-immigrants-serving-milit/
Changing your mind on deport them all? Or would you actually deport someone who fought for our country?
Have any of you actually read the text of the Paris Accords?
Why bother? It is what happens out of sight that is important not what is produced for public consumption. Stalin had a Constitution promising all kinds of freedoms – so what as he was an evil dictator.
Did you read the text of Stalin’s constitution?
Actually, I did years ago. Very similar to Constitutions such as ours. Never really implemented as you well know.
So to answer your question, it makes a difference because I’m interested in what portion of the accord people find objectionable. I also suspect that the most strenuous opponents of the Paris Accords on this site also don’t know what it says…
It makes a difference to you yet you say their is nothing in it that requires action. If that is the case, then why waste your time on fantasy. Here we are supposedly spending billions if not trillions of dollars and destroying entire industries on a fantasy without an actionable rationale supported by legislation or, realistically, science.
Supposedly, if we do nothing the average global temperature will rise .2 degrees in a hundred years. However, it is more than just a little possible that the average global temperature will fall thanks to a low solar activity. Further, the various models are all over the map and there are at least three competing theories regarding global climate change not the politically favored CO2 one. (In the past month, a couple of scientist revealed results that completely debunked the link between CO2 and global warming.)
Finally, there is no such thing as settled science. By its very nature, science always involves questions. I remind you that Einstein stood up to settled science and changed the entirety of physics. And, for your information, there are scientists out there who will challenge Einstein’s settle science and more. The search continues.
MP’s point is excellent: You know nothing of the Accord you condemn. It is goal and not penalty.
The real point: We need allies and alliances. They are more powerful than any military might. We now stand with Nicaragua and Syria on the Paris Accords. Are these the allies with whom we wish to stand? Of course not.
General Mattis is now cautioning the US against the isolationism represented in this decision. He leads our armed forces and know we need the alliances from which we’ve now walked away.
Was it passed by Congress?
Your question implies you object to its lack of passage through the process of congressional approval and presidential ratification.
But of you’d read the text of the accords, you’d know why that was unnecessary.
Then the Accord is nothing but a bunch of hot airwith no significance.
You’ll never know if you don’t read it.
Some people use information to inform their positions on topics of interest. Others fit information into their entrenched, willfully ignorant positions. America’s a free country, entitling you to the latter. Or you could read twenty or so pages and free yourself from the opinion you’ve been told to have.
http://unfccc.int/paris_agreement/items/9485.php
Poor little lefties. I guess you’re on notice now that no more public funds will be expended celebrating your mental illness. It’s probably best to move on to more tangible threats, such as the Great Pumpkin or Bigfoot. After all, there’s more empirical evidence to suggest the existence of Sasquatch than AGW.
the correct term to use is anthropogenic global warming. not climate change.
The TRUTH is that it is all fake. The rino has been studying this since Gore came out with his movie years ago. There is absolutely no Proof whatsoever that carbon dioxide cause any warming at all. Nada.
And remember all of the dire warning about the ozone. Quite likely that was all fake too. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/20e451af8dab20229eecfb146747d972f451f3832572715925a5888ebc1aa397.jpg
And yet, without fully validated science, we make decisions that destroy the lives and wealth of the individual citizen. I wonder why —- not really when one goes back a bit in time and reads what the founders said about politicians and power.
The science it there. You are simply too foolish to accept it
No need to worry. Warmac9999 has thoroughly discredited themselves on TBE. Anonymous bull offered to discredit conservatives.
First of all, the science is not there. There are at least three different theoretical models each of which has an explanation for climate change. CO2, for example, is becoming less and less likely. Solar quieting is on the ascendancy.
Just because the voices in your head tell you things don’t make them true. Our planet will continue but not as we need it. Idiots like you can’t refeeeze the ice caps
Lefties? Mental illness? Apparently you are a fool incapable of counting the house. We’ve walked away from our allies. Rex Tillerson cautioned against this move, as did Trump’s daughter. You call them mentally ill leftists? You need a check-up from the neck up.
You cannot not successfully run a country where one admin undoes what another admin did ever 4 years. It just will not work. We cannot be trusted. The USA is the laughing stock of the world right now.
Obama undid a couple of centuries worth of prior commitments that actually had legislative approval. Trump is undoing obama’s executive orders as is his right. The congress hasn’t had a budget in a decade and very little legislative accomplishment otherwise. You want to blame somebody go after your congressmen.
I don’t care which party it is, you can’t keep making commitments and flip-flopping back-and-forth every four years. I don’t like either party. I despise them both. Besides, they’re both the same anyhow.
Hillary and Trump are both unqualified clowns in bed with Wall St..
and yet there are so many radical right posters here who still believe Trump will save them. Talk about a clown leading clowns
No politician can save the nation if the people are not with him.
And let’s be clear: The people are not with Trump. Time for him to go. He was never conservative and he’s ruining the good name of conservatism. Is it truly conservative to dismiss the nation’s top law enforcement official? Of course not, especially when you admit it’s at least in part because his Russian investigation was of concern.
The people, using the constitutional process for electing a president, voted him into office. I have no idea who you think should be president but see trump doing mostly good for the country – certainly far more than either Obama or Bush did.
As far as dismissing Comey, obama should have done it – but Comey bailed out both Hillary and Lynch. Apparently, you do not understand the distinction between investigation and adjudication. The FBI investigates, they do not take on the judicial responsibly (which Comey did).
I wonder if you know ant FBI field agents. Comey was an embarrassment and did great damage to the esprit de corps of the agency. Thankfully, he is now gone.
This WILL lure more millennial to the GOP. Seriously.
Nothing like a good job rather than a welfare check to buoy confidence and hope for the future.
Yea, Trump saves 800 good jobs in December, and in May, Carrier announced the elimination of 800 jobs that were better than the 800 Trump saved at the same plant.
Nothing has changed but the rhetoric regarding importing and exporting jobs for cheap labor.
I read the article so this is bunk.
Are you saying my comment is not 100% true?
Yep. Apparently you didn’t read the entire article.
Which article are you reading?
Just what are you smoking? Is it legal wherever you are?
Good.
Even if you believe in man-made climate change, this agreement did nothing to help your cause. Its just a gigantic wealth transfer from the west (mostly the US) to 3rd world countries.
except that most of the money come from private banks, not the govt. Also, this supports coal instead of natual gas which is what is used more now. On top of that, just wait until the US tries to get a coalition to fight for us ever again. We just stepped aside to let China take over the world, both economically and morally – what an idiot
If the money really does come from private banks (which I doubt) then why does it matter if the US gov’t pulls out? Those banks are still free to donate to the cause if they wish, its their money right?
Logic is not the strong suit of Covfefe which, by the way, is a verb not a noun in the recently updated twitter world dictionary. It means – oh just look it up.
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Trump is undoing the tremendous damage done by the anti-American global socialists. Listening to the pleas of the radical left is music to my ears.
If you confuse “Paris Accord dissent” with “Radical Left” you have a serious problem with perception. Many of the former work in the White House, for example.
Yes, we do have RINO/s as well as democrat socialist embedded in DC.
Many good Republicans support the Paris Accord along with many centrist Democrats, too. Indeed, most thinking people support keeping America’s word to honor what are in the end simply guidelines without the force of law, projections supported by industry leaders that are achievable and prudent goals. Ivanka agrees, as does Rex Tillerson, or do they meet your farcical definition of “Radical Left,” “RINO” or “democrat socialist”?
That you would employ such rhetoric indiscriminately speaks ill of your judgment.
My problem is that this entire climate accord smacks of a totalitarian power grab. There are far too many ifs in the climate science world and far too much politics. As an American who values the Constitution and my liberty, I see obama’s executive orders as furthering anti-American socialist principles. If he was so convinced, then go through the legislative treaty process. He decided to end run the Congress and the result is that what was easily done can easily be undone.
As far as Republicans and centrist democrats (really!), I don’t care and neither do the American folks who support Trump. He is exposing the swamp and as someone who worked in the swamp for 25 years, it is long overdue.
Power grab? The Paris Accord is goal without penalty. What was grabbed other than the imagination that we might collectively benefit from a transition away from carbons? You are paranoid about nothing. The executive order merely affirmed a UN accord that represented the collective wisdom of our nation’s top CEOs and leaders. Your rhetoric characterizes your judgment in ways that render you ineffective, even counterproductive to the conservative cause.
The idea that the Earth currently faces a manmade climate crisis is quite simply nonsense. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/860f958c3a45cf109a7ae2830bac42cd4e13e41cce043f50c009494861d53821.jpg
But Gore is now a billionaire pushing bunk. His movie was shot down by a judge in the UK a couple of years ago.
I do not think Gore is anywhere near being a billionaire. He made his fortune selling that TV channel to the Arabs.
He sold his TV channel for $700 million.
He was just a partner. See link, he got about $70 million. You are brainwashed by Limbaughism.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/business/economy/al-gore-stands-to-gain-about-70-million-after-selling-current-tv-to-al-jazeera/2013/01/04/4775e5d2-56a5-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_story.html
See link below for Al Gore net worth;
http://www.davemanuel.com/net-worth/al-gore/
Limbaugh is worth many times what Al Gore is. Limbaugh is far more destructive, and a bigger liar than Al Gore. And yet, you worship Limbaughism and are not concerned by his destructive wealth.
I have no use for either. Why worship any man?
You have to compare using the same source. Limbaugh -$500m. Gore -$300m.
What source?
Ok, but Gore is no billionaire. Nor is he worth anywhere near Limbaugh.
He hasn’t read the accords.
UN Agenda 21 anyone.
C’mon big guy. You can do it…
http://unfccc.int/paris_agreement/items/9485.php
And your rhetoric is exactly why Trump wiped out the conventional wisdom. By the way, this idea that we can transition away from carbon based fuels has shown that the great green and solar revolution is filled with a lot of downside – from killing animals to consuming very large land masses to proving to be unreliable because of weather. I would love to put something on my roof that allowed me to disconnect from the power grid. In remote places (like the desert southwest), solar and wind are the are the only viable solution but even in those situations there are problems with sustainability. Here is one thing of importance – you don’t destroy the carbon fuel industries when what you have as a substitute is not practical or cost effective. That is just stupid politics.
When the camel sticks his nose in the tent you should be aware that there is much more behind it.
The idea that the Earth currently faces a manmade climate crisis is quite simply nonsense. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/102f0e95cb0d1f180b9c05316d5d560250a913c98d7263c08769a7194a29aca3.png
You are so wrong about so much. Makes me proud not to be on your team
We can explain global temperatures by just the atlantic multidecadal oscillation.
wait, are you denying climate change? for real?
The idea that the Earth currently faces a manmade climate crisis is quite simply nonsense.
Because Limbaugh told you so?
How long has he been in office – a bit over 4 months. Apparently, you think he should have signed one omnibus executive order without comnsultation with anybody.
Problem is that he started breaking promises on day one.
Great News
This will save American taxpayers TRILLIONS of dollars.
Can always tell when The Donald https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/324421d36561de4bd88d0a406fe261eea3b31fcbcf0b9b10c71b4878e1265819.jpg has done good. The wackadoodles start posting.
Carbon dioxide – Making the planet green again!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aa5377a16f18d2bb037f9c158973dd5c42f28e27f6bdc3669854294b4d8a9ea6.jpg
Anti-American global socialists like General Mattis, Ivanka or Rex Tillerson? Are they the radical left, you idiot? Of course not. Warmac9999 is a traitor to the conservative cause, a plant designed to undermine good ideas.
I am an American first and I have watched the last few presidents undermine the constitutional framework of this country. There are far too many swamp dwellers of both parties that have systematically undermined our nation. Legislatively, the congress hasn’t actually passed a budget in a decade. Executively, president obama acted more like a monarch than a president – and Hillary sold our national secrets to the highest bidder. Judicially, our courts act as purveyors of global ideas rather than sticking to the Constitution. Yet you ignore all of this because I see the damage of global socialism and have the audacity to point it out
Those who say the Paris Accords are just goals ignore the facts that our treasury has already been plucked to support it and many of our cities function in accordance with it. Ever read UN agenda 21? Ever study its impact. The Paris accords are its implementation.
You are a fool. General Mattis, Rex Tillerson, Ivanka — socialists all, according to you. You discredit your claimed cause, raising suspicion you are a plant.
Did you ever hear Jamie Radke’s presentation on UN Agenda 21? Did you ever read the pamphlets on its impact? Did you bother to connect the Paris Accords to UN Agenda 21?
You say it cost nothing. Well in my neck of the woods we were spending over $500k per year to study its implementation until a couple of folks, including me, talked to the local supervisors. Suddenly, the study money stopped – giant waste of scarce dollars.