Ed Gillespie is the right choice for Governor in 2017

Ed Gillespie is the right choice for Governor in 2017

A conservative who can grow our party and win in November 

In 2014, Ed Gillespie shocked the political world by nearly toppling popular incumbent Democrat Senator Mark Warner.  But, as the old saying goes, coming close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades.  Ultimately, Gillespie came up short.

So, why bring this up now?  Well, it’s true that 2014 was generally a favorable year for Republicans, providing a very friendly climate to Republican challengers everywhere.  It’s a shame that wave didn’t break in Virginia, too.  But it’s also true that Gillespie took on the most popular politician in the state, a task regarded as a sure loser by pundits and the donor class.  In many respects, Gillespie was abandoned and forgotten by national GOP groups in favor of candidates whose prospects they judged to be more promising.

In that setting, it would have been easy for Gillespie to pander for votes, and to “fine tune” his message to suit the audience.  Indeed, conventional establishment wisdom would have led Gillespie to attempt what several other statewide Republican candidates have tried to do in recent decades, which is to run one campaign in Northern Virginia and a completely different one in the “real Virginia,” so as to soften his conservative edges in the vote-rich and relatively moderate Washington suburbs.

But Ed Gillespie didn’t do that.   Instead, he stuck to the same message that delivered him the nomination.  He could have prevaricated on life, on civil liberties, on taxes, jobs, and the economy.  Somewhere there was probably a consultant or two that would have urged him to do just that to try to gain a few points here or there with white suburban working moms, or with federal workers, or some other targeted demographic.  But Ed Gillespie didn’t do that.

Like many conservatives, I had my reservations about Ed in 2014, given his history with the Bush administration and that administration’s sometimes non-existent relationship with conservatism.  But Ed told us that it’s one thing to serve at the pleasure of the President of the United States, and entirely something different to be one’s own man.  He pointed us to his previous work with Dick Armey, and on the Contract with America, as examples of the kind of work he could be trusted to do.

His actions—not just his words—have borne this out.  In 2014, Ed ran a grassroots-driven campaign focused intensely on small groups and individuals to get his message out and to engage the Republican activist base.  He succeeded magnificently in that respect, and did so while staying true to the promises that won him the nomination.  In the years since then, he has continued his meticulous feeding, watering, and nurturing of the conservative grassroots.

Ed has gotten to know the conservative base, and the base has gotten to know and trust him, through tens of thousands of miles of travel, and hundreds of miles of shoe leather.  Importantly, Ed has not just spoken to the grassroots, but he has also listened.

This is precisely the kind of behavior the conservative grassroots should reward in a politician.  Some politicians will shun the grassroots, believing they can win a nomination in an air war predicated on enormous television ad buys.  Not Ed.  Instead, Ed has offered himself up directly to the grassroots for judgment on issues and principles, and has passed with flying colors on all accounts.

It is time Virginia Republicans show the state what we’re truly capable of accomplishing again.  We have the opportunity in 2017 to nominate a solid, competent, trustworthy, principled, and honest conservative to lead us out of the wilderness and back to victory again.  A candidate who shuns negativity and division, and instead builds success through growth and unity.  That candidate’s name is Ed Gillespie.

The bottom line is that every time Ed Gillespie has had the opportunity to show us who he is, he’s proven himself to be the solid conservative we want him to be.  He has run for office in precisely the way the conservative grassroots want a candidate to run: campaigning from the bottom up, and not the top down, and listening as much as talking.  His actions have demonstrated he has the temperament, the background, and the principles to make the entire Commonwealth proud as our next Governor.

That’s why I am excited to join solid conservatives like Eric Herr, Rick Buchanan, Morton Blackwell, Sen. Dick Black, and so many others in supporting and enthusiastically endorsing Ed Gillespie for Governor.  I encourage other Virginia conservatives to do the same.


Steve Albertson’s endorsement is his own, and does not necessarily reflect the beliefs of TheBullElephant.com or any of its individual contributors, each of whom remain free to back (or not back) competing candidates.

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  • Zach Werrell

    Sorry Steve, have to do this to you :^)

    http://denverforgovernor.com/

    • LOL! No problem! And good luck to you guys…Denver seems like a great guy.

  • Joseph

    Cue Waverly Woods ranting about conspiracies in 3… 2… 1…

    • Rocinante

      Awfully convenient that pro-Gillespie stuff rolls out just hours after Riggleday is declared.

      • Joseph

        Riggleman. And of course Gillespie’s supporters are coming out right when a new rival declares himself, it draws attention away from the new guy. That’s Politics 101.

        • Turbocohen

          Denver Riggleman is a good guy and I look forward to working with him to get Ed elected after the general gets underway. In a convention Denver would be my #2.

        • Rocinante

          Riggleday: The day of Riggleman. The latest annunciation thereof.

          • Joseph

            It took you two days to come up with that?

          • Rocinante

            Was re-reading it and saw you thought I got the name wrong, took me two days to get around to fixing. Did also want to highlight that there have been at least 3 days of Rigglefest on TBE (radio show — great hope he’ll run, advance he’s running, and finally the grand ‘I am Number 4’ hoopla.)

            Tea party establishment joined regular GOP threw in with Gillespie; Trump zealots Cuckoo for Corey; Your #never”s, Libertarian elitists, exiled GOP’rs, ‘coulda been Cruz’ fabulists now have a fresh new face and reason to not to support the nominee in November.

            Frank will probably end up the nominee after the big three rip each other to shreds.

            Winning is overrated right??

          • Joseph

            Uh-huh, sure.

            So far, I’m thinking Ed looks like the best, or at least the most likely to win. Although Ed’s a little too moderate for my preferences. Riggleman looks like a good number two to me. Corey is a loose cannon, one I’ve met and I wasn’t impressed. Especially with his antics due the Presidential Primary and his recruitment of people from campaigns he blasted.”I hate you people! By the way, come work for me.” is sleazy.

            Frank doesn’t have a future beyond the governorship if he’s the nominee. I view VA’s Governor as an investment, not a one-time vote.

          • Rocinante

            I think it’s between Corey and Ed but the GOP will self-Sarvis after the election and we will lose.

            I will be happy if the consultant that pushed ‘Senator = Governor’ joins the marketing genius who gave him EG= EG^2 and addED the 2017 dumbass suffix upon the ash heap of political history.

          • Joseph

            That same consultant is probably the guy who told Corey that a failed LT Gov campaign + getting fired by Team Trump = Governor.

            The basic answer is name ID: both Ed and Corey think that people know them and will vote for them over the other candidates because their names have been out there.

          • Rocinante

            Nope, Corey saw what he perceived to be RNC backstabbing (like they do and they’ve done before,) saw that a bunch of people were demonstrating, was warned by TPTB, and decided that loyalty to President Trump and Trump supporters was more important than his own political future.

            In hindsight not the best move, but we saw how Trump and his supporters were treated by statewide Republican “machines” in the past year.

            Now did that act of defiance cost Trump the state, or did it make the roaches scatter?

            All I know is that standing up, at seemingly great political sacrifice, for your candidate and volunteers, shows me the kind of backbone I want in Richmond.

          • Joseph

            So, one guy losing and then running again is bad, but another guy losing, getting fired, and running again, is good.

            Carry your own double standard into battle, Rocinante.

          • Rocinante

            Not quite, key differences:

            1) Ed ran for Senate, that matched his skill set and strengths.

            2) Corey runs and wins in PWC.

            The two candidates have different strengths and weaknesses. As a Republican, I have to look at who can best win the state in November.

            Given the sorry state of our party, it’s an uphill battle for either.

          • Joseph

            Right. And the fact that you like one guy and don’t like the other has nothing to do with it.

            Winning one district in your home county isn’t a grand achievement. People have been doing that across party lines and in the other team’s strongholds for a long time.

            Given that his LT Gov campaign went down in flames, that lost the convention for himself and later for Trump, and that he got fired from Team Trump AND had his own co-workers come out against him for his attention seeking behavior? Corey’s a prima donna trying to run on Trump’s coattails.

          • Rocinante

            Hey, I supported Ed hard for Senate and would again if he wins the nomination, but I’m that Republican.

            This is a primary, I think Corey can win elected office, I don’t think Ed can, this race, this state, this November.

            I’ll support the winning Nominee moreso than I do Corey now, unlike most of the voices here.

            Isn’t Corey the PWC Chairman?

            Every LT Gov nominee went down in flames except for EW Jackson. No one could beat EW Jackson thanks to our ‘Open’ conventions.

            When Corey became VA leader for Trump, no one else would go near Trump. Corey did.

          • Joseph

            If you’re trying to cast aspersions at the #Nevers and the Libertarians, it isn’t going to work. Nobody is going to flinch back from what they did or said in 2016.

            Yes, he is. You talk to a Republican campaign volunteer, and winning an off-year countywide district, which is what the at-large for PWC was when Corey won, isn’t impressive. Especially since Corey already had skin the game for almost three years before running for that post.

            I think John Fredericks might have something to say about the idea that Corey was Trump’s big VA supporter and that nobody would touch Trump.

    • Jeanine Martin

      She is unable to respond. Her head has exploded.

      • John Massoud

        Where is that piece of work

  • Turbocohen

    This. This is THE endorsement. You are a stand up guy Steve Albertson. We have an opportunity to flip Va Red. Again.

    • Jeanine Martin

      Happy Birthday Turbo!

      • Turbocohen

        Thank you Jeanine!

  • Jay McConville

    Steve: Thank you for an excellent post. I am a dedicated supporter of Ed Gillespie for many of the reasons you state – plus others. I have known Ed and Cathy for many years and, surprisingly, not primarily through politics. I know them as conscientious and caring volunteers who have done amazing work for our community, great neighbors who give their time, talent and treasure to help others, and honest, family-oriented people who “walk the walk” of their conservative values. In addition to your points I would add that Ed, even with his periods of selfless service to our nation, has been a successful business owner and entrepreneur, and knows what small business people like me go through every day. I find it unfortunate, and frankly dishonest, that some would question his conservative bona fides, because, as you detail in your post, he is a movement conservative and a man of his word. We have a great candidate in Ed Gillespie, someone who can win, and someone we can trust. I, for one, am looking forward to winning the Governorship in 2017 – Go Ed!

    • Establishment Ed

      What a brown noser! Don’t stop took quickly when you are behind Ed!

      • Jay McConville

        Just calling it like I see it. You don’t like it when someone expresses their opinion? You have to be crass and snarky?

      • John Massoud

        #EdGillespie2017

  • Rocinante

    That was torturED.

    So Ed is qualified to be the nominee for Governor because he ran for Senator and lost?

    Ed’s strengths for Senator (inside beltway, partisan, etc.) magically equate to strengths and qualifications for Governor??

    I don’t see how Virginia will look at Ed and see him as qualified as most of the other candidates.

    It doesn’t matter how swell our nominees are if they cannot make the sale with the voters of Virginia.

    Tell me, with your years of political experience and wisdom, how you think this happens?

    What is different about 2017 and 2016? What voter shift is visible through clouded judgement?

    • Jay McConville

      Makes me doubt you even read the post. If you did, you obviously didn’t do so with an open mind. What you claim Steve said, he never did. Ed Gillespie is an accomplished person of great achievement – in government, in politics, and in business. He’s an articulate champion for the conservative cause, and a great communicator. He’s true to his word. That’s what I read, and that’s a pretty good summation as to why I’m supporting him.

      • Establishment Ed

        In all due respect what are is great accomplishment? Carrying the water for Bush adminstation officials and lobbyists is a far cry from taking on difficult public safety issues like illegal immigration.

        Maybe Ed will have you play if he hasn’t already at one of his fundraisers.

        • Jeanine Martin

          Again, Donna please stick to one name when you respond.

        • Jay McConville

          I think rational people can clearly see his accomplishments. You don’t get to be in the positions he’s been in without being pretty darn talented. Yes, I would consider being asked to be Counselor to the President a pretty significant career accomplishment, as is starting and running several successful businesses, advising top CEO’s, being the RNC Chairman, you know, stuff like that.

    • Establishment Ed

      Sounds like the same excuse the Fimian supporters used on why they were supporting him for his second try at Congress.

      He ran,had his ass handed to him so let’s give him another try!

      BTW Where is Fimian?

      • Turbocohen

        Nice, Donnarae Wolters.

      • Rocinante

        Sometimes it takes a couple of attempts to win — but you’re right, that’s running for the same seat. Choosing another statewide office is simply just like ‘crossing the streams.’

    • Franklin Fogle

      We need to get rid of McAuliffe, and — if you’ll please forgive me for saying so — you seem quite long on armchair quarterbacking, and short on logic. Now, I don’t like squishes and RINO’s, but we can’t throw out the practical while searching for the perfect: If numbers are any indication which Republican is more stomach-able by Democrats, well, that would be Gillespie due to his razor-thin less-than 1% loss to Mark Warner. Now, this year, Trump lost to Hillary by 5.4%, and since Corey Stewart was Trump’s campaign mgr., that makes him guilty by association to Trump, and less stomach-able to Democrats. And this newcomer (what’s-his-name) with that “blunt force trauma” slogan throwing his name into the hat will be nothing more than a spoiler, and with all due respect, he and Stewart should step aside to give Gillespie the best chance possible to rid Virginia of Terrence McAuliffe.

      • Rocinante

        Except that Corey and Frank are the only ones that have been no elected to anything.

        You do realize that McAuliffe cannot and is not running again right?

        Who won the primary again?

        It’s not going to be easy for any of them, but I’m thinking Corey is our best shot for the win.

        • Franklin Fogle

          Yes, I know McAuliffe cannot run again, and was speaking metaphorically by saying we needed to rid ourselves of Terrence McAuliffe in this upcoming election, but I’ll be more specific: We need to deny Northam the opportunity to carry on McAuliffe’s horrid misguided leftist policies, i.e., restoration of voting rights to felons who haven’t paid their court costs and court ordered restitution to their victims, his anal fixation for expanding Medicaid under ObamaCare, his fondness for ripping babes from the womb, his insane desire to permit male sexual predators access to our granddaughters, daughters, wives, and fiance’s bathrooms, etc. Now, the only way to do that is to have a GOP gubernatorial candidate who can win, and as I’d said, numbers mean things. It was the large Virginia cities that cost Trump the election by 5.4%, but they barely denied Gillespie a win over Mark Warner by less-than 1%. Take home message: City dwellers hated Trump more than Gillespie, Stewart is guilty by association with Trump by being his Virginia campaign chair, we “need to get rid of McAuliffe” by presenting a candidate that city dwellers can stomach, and that’s why — in my never-so humble opinion — Gillespie’s best suited for that job. To ice the cake, his 2014 campaign for the US Senate is still relatively fresh in voters minds, so he has both name recognition and street cred. 😉

          • Rocinante

            Yes, but Corey got fired, so he dances past the guilt yet reaps the benefits of being the fighting young politico who makes a difference to us Trump weirdoes.

            The name recognition is an advantage, but Denver Riggleman is more catchy.

            If we run against McAuliffe, even if he’s not there (as so many RINO consultants love to do) we will lose.

            I’d be happy with any of them being the nominee, but as I’m most always right, only Corey can get us to Richmond.

    • Reinhardt Reganbacker lll

      No, Ed is qualified because the people who really run these blogs told Steve what he needed to do. Hence, this Bush 43′ article, oops, I meant Gillespie.

      • Rocinante

        Of course Ed, Corey, Denver, and Frank are all qualified, the bar is kinda low and the way our SCC set things up, I think anybody who can cough up the base requirements can run. It’s fairly decent publicity, gotta be good for business, and blends well with our like-friend-upvote-lookatme culture.

    • John Massoud

      #EdGillespie2017

      • Rocinante

        That’s the rationale and explanation?

        Can you see how one would think there just might not be enough reason for him to be nominatED?

        On account of the goal being to win not merely to run (that one was also for DR.)

        • John Massoud

          Keep trying.

          • Rocinante

            So you got nothing for me on this? Does not bode well.

  • Establishment Ed

    What a joke! Steve was ingratiating himself to Ed last time Ed ran. Ed gave a public shout out to TBE in a debate.

    Bloggers are legends in their own mind!

    • Yep…I backed our nominee in 2014. Guilty as charged, Donna. (And please do stick to one screen name).

      • Rocinante

        Surely not just 2014, right???

    • Turbocohen

      Donnarae Wolters, really?

    • Rocinante

      TBE is pretty legendary, no other news, comment, and discussion site quite like it. Every Unit and District should have one.

  • John Massoud

    We all know Ed Gillespie is the most qualified person to run in 17. Why the trolls are so concerned is beyond me.

    #EdGillespie2017

    • Rocinante

      ‘We all know’ – claiming most qualified — unfounded troll accusations — puzzled as to anyone raising questions… all illustrate absence of qualifications rather than an articulation.

      • John Massoud

        Got a new thesaurus I see?

        • Rocinante

          Sure, why not.

          The non-response response speaks volumes.

  • Chad Davis

    I want to hear more from all the candidates before deciding who gets my vote to be our nominee, but I will definitely give Gillespie a chance.

    • Rocinante

      We should all be prepared to support Ed or whoever the nominee is as if they stood a chance. Miracles happen and we know for a fact what will happen if we don’t support the nominee 200%!!

  • Catherine Stone McNickle

    Great news! We are whole heartedly supporting Ed and his wonderful wife Cathy.

    • Rocinante

      Great, will you and the others be doing the same for the nominee if it is not Ed?

      • Catherine Stone McNickle

        I never speak for others but i always support the nominee.

        • Rocinante

          I will speak against the others, Republicans who do not support the nominee deserve to be purged moreso than the Fairweather TPeople and Libertarians who slip past the border.

  • Connie S.

    Ed Gillespie, the quintessential “born again Conservative”. Enron Ed – lobbyist, and integral part of that scandal.

    Lobbyist and advisor to the Bush dynasty. Gillespie was architect for the government bailout of “too big to fail” banks, TARP. BTW, TARP was the last straw of government overreach, and so was responsible for the launch of the Tea Party.

    Hello?! Big government in bed with big business = everybody else gets the shaft!

    Ed Gillespie is absolutely the furthest thing from limited government I can envision.

    • Jean Baptiste Bellegarde

      AMEN!

    • Turbocohen

      TARP was not responsible for the launch of the tea party movement, Connie. The housing market bubble blew up after George Allen opposed auditing Virginia based fannie mae/freddie mac. The organic component of the Tea Party movement was heavily supported by Dick Armey (founder of FreedomWorks) who Ed worked for, and called for reducing our national debt and budget deficit by reducing government spending, and cutting taxes. We also opposed wealth redistribution via wasteful government sponsored Obamacare. I challenge you to spend some time with Ed discussing this shit. Ed was there LONG before any of us and you wont find anyone with more insider information and know how who is more straight up no bullshit with the facts than Gillespie.

      Connie, do you think you could bring this discussion to Ed, one on one?

  • mark Jawsz

    I may be Tea Party, Populist, Oath Keeper, and an Alternate Right Bannon Backer, but I am pragmatic enough to know that for conservatives, Ed Gillespie is going to be as good as it gets in Virginia. In case you have not noticed it, Northern Virginia is no longer “Yankee Occupied Virginia” it is now “UN Occupied Virginia,” and we ain’t ever gonna be able to elect a “true conservative” anymore as governor or US Senator. So please scrape off your “I miss Reagan” bumper stickers and accept the fact that given the new demographic reality, we need to run people such as Ed Gillespie and Barbara Comstock at the state-wide level if we ever expect to win again.

    • Jean Baptiste Bellegarde

      If Gillespie is “as good as it gets” in Virginia, I’ll pass.

      • mark Jawsz

        Well, instead of getting perhaps 70% of what you would like out of governor, be prepared to get only 7%, because that is exactly what Democratic governors will give you. I don’t know about you, JBB, but I much prefer to get 70% than 7%. It is not that complicated.

        • Jean Baptiste Bellegarde

          Just because Enron Ed goes around the state stroking the ego of the Tea Party and telling people what they want to hear doesn’t mean I’m going to march lock-step with him to the polls.

          Wow… 70% with Gillespie vs 7% with an alternative??? Care to cite your sources or just spout off more hyperbole?

          • Rocinante

            Point being that if Gillespie gets in, he will only screwover Republicans 30% of the time as opposed to the usual 97% of the democrat.

            The real crazy assumption is that he could win the general.

        • Rocinante

          The worst Republican is better than the best Democrat and/or any given libertarian.

          • Jean Baptiste Bellegarde

            I understand your point, but have to disagree. I just look at the likes of Nathan Deal, Governor of Georgia. He’s a Republican, but acts like a Democrat. My conservative friends there have serious buyers remorse.

          • Rocinante

            This is true, that’s where the RINO label, and degrees of RINOcerity comes in handy. It can be a character building and shaping thing.

            The fact is, no matter how much Babs wriggles, finesses, and appeases, she is still better than any democrat, and by the simple fact that she did not receive ANY primary opposition clearly marks that she was ‘conservative enough’ for the job.

            If we want better, we can run better — if we can’t, it’s our own damn fault.

      • Rocinante

        Just like most of the November voters.

        • Jean Baptiste Bellegarde

          Just don’t know why the Republican Party continues to push losers. “Well, I didn’t get that office, I’ll just run for something else…” It just smacks of an “I’ve run for office enough, it’s my turn” attitude.

          Also, why do we always have to settle for someone who’ll screw Republicans over less than a Democrat? Republicans shouldn’t be screwing each other over anyway.

          • Rocinante

            It’s a comfort zone thing, or affinity magic — ‘He almost won statewide Senate, and Governor is statewide, so it’s the same thing’ even better in a lot of ways, like tepees.

            So the electorate becomes convinced we think they’re stupid, and thus elect democrats.

    • zke007

      You’re kidding right ?
      Barbara Comstock, I wrote in someone this past election.
      Riggleman’s get’s my vote

      • Rocinante

        And who was it that won, you’re write-in?

    • Rocinante

      We ran Ed statewide for Senate, almost won — I was looking forward to a rematch against the lesser Senator — but then Ed be like ‘I can haz Governor’ and I be like NGH.

      Babs is probably the only Republican that can win her district in a general BECAUSE of the political realities.

      Ed winning statewide for this office, with his past history, and his experience/lack therof, and the GOP electoral ineptitude, flies in the face of political realities.

      No matter how you slice the primary, Ed comes up short in November.

    • Franklin Fogle

      Oh, my! And so I meet another fellow conservative who accepts reality, but be careful: You may draw the wrath of Trump supporters who cannot grasp what Trump’s Virginia loss means, and they’ll promise you (as they promised me) “God’s wrath and eternal damnation” for allowing liberalism to flourish, call you “a liberal”, tar you as “an enemy of the American people”, accuse you of “trying to suppress Trump as Judas tried to suppress Christ”, etc. Yep, those are actual quotes, so prepare yourself for what may come for suggesting that Corey Stewart can’t edge-out Northam. Some conservatives who once called me “friend” now call me other things, but I’ve learned to live with it.

  • rdboyer

    My New Year’s resolution for 2017? You won’t believe this. But it’s true.

    I am taking a hiatus from State and National politics. We have a crop of Republicans running for Statewide office who have never done anything for the conservative cause. I do have hopes for John Adams, running for attorney general. But an uncontested nomination is not worth the time it would take from my kids.

    At the national level and the state level, we have two apparent choices. The Establishment Republicans of the old Bush machine, or the new personality worshipers of the Trump brand. For those of us looking for foundational principles of Liberty, neither offers much.

    I am not one of those who feels I have to endorse candidates just to have my name in the headlines. Or just because it’s that time of year.

    For this year, my political efforts will be devoted to local candidates whose principles I share and whom I can enthusiastically endorse without compromising my soul to do it.

    I have a lot of trusted friends rushing to embrace one candidate or another of a useless bunch for governor and lieutenant governor. The reason I usually hear is that perhaps it gets you listened to, it gets you access. That’s not how it ever works in real life.

    Here’s how it really works: The politician borrows your credibility, built up over years of fighting for things that matter. He uses this to co-opt the folks who trust you into supporting his agenda, namely his own acquisition of power. I can’t do it anymore. It doesn’t make me feel special anymore. I want my endorsement to mean something, and this is not how that gets done.

    For those who want to argue over the differences between Democrat-lite candidates and a cult of personality utterly failing to approach anything remotely rooted in transcendent principle, knock yourself out. I don’t have the energy. I’m looking for black and white. For those who think you can see enough difference between the shades of grey to make yourself feel better, more power to you. It makes no difference to restoring our constitutional republic, and politically that is all I care about. I’ve worn myself out pretending this stuff matters.

    So except for local candidates, see y’all in 2018.

  • zke007

    Riggleman’s get’s my vote

  • Johnny J.

    I pulled out this thing, without buttons and a keyboard; it was a hard cover book, with a binding; it was a dictionary. Upon looking up a phrase, “swamp thing” there was an artist’s rendering of Ed Gillespie.
    Drain the swamp.

  • Dylan Lloyd

    Oh lordy, here we go..did I miss the fireworks?