Senator Bryce Reeves, a candidate for Lt. Governor, is asking a Stafford County judge to allow his lawyers to question and review documents of his opponent Senator Jill Vogel’s neighbors and two Republican activists. Reeves believes they may have some knowledge of emails sent from Vogel’s IP alleging an affair between Reeves and a campaign aide.
Reeves is trying to determine who sent the emails and he believes the Vogel neighbors, James and Lisa Gable, and Republican activists, Waverly Woods of Chesapeake Virginia Beach and Ron Hedlund of Glen Allen, may have knowledge of who sent the emails. The Gables have maintained that they were out of town the weekend the emails were sent from an IP address shared by the Gables and Vogels.
The court filing states Hedlund and Woods have knowledge of the email and they have “repeated the false and defamatory allegation that Senator Reeves had engaged in an extramarital affair with one of his campaign aides.” Vogel repeated the rumor, reporting it as “something others are saying” but not her, of course. Defamation is a serious charge.
Hedlund’s and Wood’s attorney insist they have no information relevant to the case. They believe Reeves and his lawyers are “abusing the civil discovery process to harass them”.
A judge appointed by the Supreme Court of Virginia will hear the case.
We previously reported on the subpoenas here. This email scandal began to unfold at the beginning of January and those details are here.
More on the current story at the Richmond Times-Dispatch.
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In these comments, “Roger” claims there is no evidence of email account creation verification by the Vogel cell phone.
Roger either does not know or is lying. Either way, he is wrong. He falsely suggests Google may not have verified the email account in question at all. He attempts to spin by saying there is no evidence FROM the cellphone when in fact the unique code is sent TO the cellphone. These parsed, detailed spins match the parsed, narrow claims of the campaign he defends, but both are obviously false attempts at misinformation.
The evidence is clear and unmistakable that not only was the account verified by Google, it was verified by Google sending via SMS a unique code to the Vogel cellphone, the code then entered into a web browser using an IP address connected to the Vogel home network:
http://bit.ly/2m5jmpM
The second inserted image on this above page at The Bull Elephant is a photographic image of Google’s subpoena response. Lines 7 and 8 on the Google response tell the IP address of the browser that entered the verification code and the Vogel cellphone’s number to which the verification code was sent, including the time the unique verification code was entered.
Play whatever obfuscation game you want, the facts are clear. The image shows Google’s subpoena response, specifically the cellphone number to which the verification SMS was sent (and, yes, there was a verification SMS sent) and the IP address of the browser that entered the code and acknowledged the terms of service. All tie this to Vogel’s cellphone. Whomever had it received the code and entered it, satisfying Google that the newly created email account was verified by the person who possessed Vogel’s cellphone.
boom!
Just vote for Glenn Davis in the primary so we won’t have to revisit any of this in the fall. Virginia is blue – almost navy blue – and we can’t take any chances. I’m sick of all this and so are most people.
Was it the same people that hacked Trumps calls that hacked Alex Vogels phone?
Satire for those slow on the uptake.
I heard from Sam who was informed on the QT by Joe that Mary definitively overheard a part time campaign volunteer for Ed claim that while they were illegally pounding a “Vote for Ed he’s the Man” campaign sign into an unknown’s occupant’s front yard at midnight that whispers emanating from the house indicated said occupant definitely was totally clued in on who keyed the emails alleging whatever to whomever. We expect a Reese subpoena request to be forthcoming as rumor has is that said occupant might very well be a former underpaid illegal immigrant working for the Vogel’s or someone’s girlfriend or maybe both as in all of the above recommended to them by some guy named Stewart. Further updates will be forthcoming by our intrepid investigative resource as soon as they are out of rehab.
Satire ends point presented! >>>> VOTE for Glenn Davis
remember that Mark Obenshain lost by @ 500 votes. Virginia, if anything, is bluer now. Could we suppose that this fussing has alienated 500 voters? Surely others can see this
Yes, I believe we could very well assume that is Kelly so if anyone believes it’s a vote builder for the party and won’t afflict others for what is nothing more then unsavory mudslinging (as if that never happens in election primary) is delusional. We have far too many small picture people that leads one often to wonder if they do really care if they win (again) or we just continue to lose control of the state’s political governing apparatus.
What’s Chesapeake Beach? Is that like conservative Libertarian? #GrammarMatters
Chesapeake Beach? She’s in Maryland?? #GeographyMatters
Assuming that The Wave and Benedict Hedlund had advance knowledge of who sent the emails (again we are just speculating here) this can not be good news for Corey Stewart. Which is why activists should work on JUST ONE CAMPAIGN AT A TIME! Again if the allegations are true, The Wave and Benedict Hedlund will only have hurt their gubanatorial candidate, and their Lt. Governor candidate as well.
It’s hard enough to get things for one campaign right, much less 2.
True, at least before the Primaries.
After the primaries we have (or should have) a joint campaign. Then you’re working for the good of the entire team. 2013 being the obvious exception.
There are too many 2013’s, too many #nevers, too many TP leaders and societies working against our nominees.
Not an all-in Republican? Don’t bother playing or running for office in our club.
Do you really think crazy Bryce Reeves will unite around Vogel?
Would she even want him to after his whole crusade to make sure every voter in the commonwealth is aware of salacious rumors circling him?
He’s lost his mind…
Then mission accomplished by the pseudo-anonymous email.
The politically aware totally understand how and what went down, Team Martha has demonstrated the value of integrity as the brand has been destroyed.
Without any lawsuits, judges, the courts of political opinion have been held and hold sway.
Took away the upvote because of the Benedict shot. Seems that more than one vote went for the primary. Unless you mean the entire SCC are benedicts as they screwed over the taxpayers with the cost of a primary.
It’s an undeniable fact: Alex Vogel’s cellphone verified the creation of the email account in question. Google’s subpoena response establishes this without any question at all.
Draw what conclusions you will from this undeniable fact. The remainder is obfuscation involving IP addresses and shared wifi between neighbors mutually reliant upon satellite internet.
Who sent what email from where is all far less important than knowing with certainty that Alex Vogel’s cellphone verified the gmail account in question, which is a fact, and an undeniable one.
There is absolutely nothing showing Alex Vogel’s phone verified that email.
The latest court filings don’t even contain that claim. Yet this falsehood has been repeated by Bryce Reeves and his campaign staff for two months.
Apparently, you live in fantasy land:
http://thebullelephant.com/exclusive-details-emerge-around-vogelreeves-email-flap/
or shortened to:
http://bit.ly/2m5jmpM
As you can see, it’s this very publication, The Bull Elephant, that confirms it is Alex Vogel’s phone that verified that email.
Best wishes for your future misinformation endeavors. This one is stillborn.
Nothing in there points to verification. There may possibly have been a text sent to the phone but nothing from Google or any other source has pointed to verification FROM the phone.
This is another one of the Reeves campaigns slight of hands to distract from his faltering campaign.
This publication may as well start declaring in kinds to Reeves campaign for spreading his lies.
There are none so blind as those who simply will not see.
And, FWIW, the verification code is sent TO the phone and that code is then entered on the verification form, so, no, it is not FROM the phone but it is verification nonetheless because it can only be received by the phone in question.
Oh, what a tangled web you seek to weave … fortunately, facts are facts.
Again, no verification in these google docs.
Reeves new (3rd!) attorney has left out any claim of verification in the latest docs.
This hypothetical lawsuit is crumbling like Bryces campaign. Latest polling has him dead last
With Republicans like you, Roger, it is easy to see how Virginia has become a Blue State. In Africa they say that when the elephants fight, the grass suffers. Roger that!
So a cell phone in the possession of Alex Vogel was not the two-factor authentication for the google account in question?
And the e-mail did not originate in Upperville?
Other than bold statements from Bryce, there has been nothing produced to show that their was any verification. Google doesn’t require verification for many IPs.
Nobody believes the email originated anywhere but upperville. The Vogel’s don’t seem to dispute that it came from the neighborhood wifi.
This whole thing is campaign strategy not a serious legal issue.
I didn’t ask that,
How about this:
Was a phone in Alex Vogel’s possession used to create or verify the account which sent the email in question?
Whole thing could have been non-existent without Martha McDaniel email.
In fact, Google required verification of this particular email account. In fact, Google sent the verification code to Alex Vogel’s cellphone, and only to Alex Vogel’s cellphone. The code was then entered to verify the account creation. These are facts.
They are not facts.
Nowhere in Googles documents does it say this. This is only presented as fact by the TheBullElephant and Bryce Reeves.
Just keep saying it, Roger. Perhaps your misinformation will be accepted as true by those inclined to ignore the plain facts. Is that your plan for Virginia Republicans? Simply ignore the facts?
You will stop at nothing to ignore the facts. You even suggest Google doesn’t engage in account verification when in fact they did so with regards to this particular account, and that verification text was sent to Alex Vogel’s cellphone.
Spin, spin, spin, Roger! Spin like a top! Whirl and twirl it away, as if that were a strategy.
All this nonsense is why we lose. Every single second, and every single cent that we expend on this is less time and money we have to spend fighting the leftist authoritarians. Opportunity cost for the fail.
Yes, but actions have consequences.
Martha should have known better but did it anyway.
Martha got caught.
Martha didn’t accept terms nor peace.
Is electoral victory so important that we accept and normalize Martha behavior?
Who is Martha?
Exactly!
The name on the fake email which may or may not have been sent from the Vogel’s IP and cell phone.
I’ve never seen the original email. Not that I want to.
As I understand it, the email was to undermine Reeves support from at least two key backers by alluding to a rumor of infidelity.
But Reeves knew that “anonymous” gmails were not so much anymore and traced it back to the originating phone and Internet ‘neighborhood.’
But he should have never done that, he should have moved on once he figured out who was behind the cowardly dirty trick.
What kind of person do you want in public office representing our party?
The email was real, the persona was fake, as was the organization.
Why did Mr. McDaniels choose ‘Stafford for Freedom’ anyway? ‘Upperville for Unity’ already taken?
Just look at Republicans in DC now, doing exactly what Obama did with his healthcare plan. Also, calling for increased spending with no way to pay for it. Republicans “salivating” about a possible amnesty plan. Calling for a tax decrease with $20 trillion of debt. PAC and campaign money running wild. Trump signing one executive order after another, aka Obama. Oh, and another printed money $1 trillion infrastructure plan which lines the pockets of the rich, and puts a couple illegals to work. This country cannot move forward under Ryan and McConnell.
The US government message has been the same for years, “Capitalism is great, and our economy works, as long as we can run up about $2 Trillion per year in debt, and never pay it down”. Capitalism is great, until you run out of lies and ink.
The Democrats? Just another sick joke. Clinton clown dyn-NASTY.
Nothing but more corrupt BS. That’s why I am Independent. I ain’t joining either union.
For the good of the party Vogel should suspend her campaign until the issue is settled!
She needs to withdraw and declare victory
as long as she withdraws
I agree with your comments.
The whole matter is like a traffic accident.
First , some rubbernecking as people look in,
Then speed away.
Vogel has moved on , continuing to receive
Contributions and endorsements.
As I commented earlier on another post,
Reeves is left with what ?
His honor ? His victimhood ?
Politics can be a nasty business , and not
All so pleasant .
Reeves might believe he is 100% kosher.
However no one is parve, not even Mr. Reeves.
If he is seeking to affirm we live in a litigious society
He has succeeded.
There is a price all candidates will pay for the matter.
And a larger cost Virginia voters may bear at election time.
Moving the matter to legal issues drives all of us
Further down .more’s the pity.
We need a no-fault politics policy. Anybody can say and do anything with no consequences or blow back.
There has been a line crossed.
Contributions, endorsements, Clintonesque parsing, and righteous indignation no longer matter.
Just like the character played by Frank Langella in the movie “Dave,” this dog will no longer hunt.
Yes, that seems to be what some here want, Republicans should always be held blameless and without consequences. Yeah, that makes our party look real good.
Deep breaths. I’m not seeing anyone suggest this but you, in an attempt to fabricate a position that no one holds.
Your one small comment , and all this fallout.
Whose cell phone , ..what a “verification ” is ,
…How republicans should police themselves ,
…Have a policy about it all…
…whose email address…
Etc etc …on and on and on and on.
The matter has now begun its crawl
Through the legal system.
People who don’t like it, or Vogel don’t have to
Vote for her , or Reeves , or anyone .
Simply agreed with your comment , still do.
Ok, so our policy is to ignore wrong doing when a Republican does it.
Gotcha.
Ms. Martin
Mr. Reeves has made the issue a legal matter.
I imagine that if there is any wrong it will be determined in our court system.
I simply agreed with Mr. McGrane’s comment above,
As several others have.
My observation is that Reeves has made a very poor
Choice in handling the matter .
The emails are not something I would consider when I vote in the primary.
Thank you for posting an update to it all.
Yes, the better move would have been to ignore Martha’s dirty trick and pretend it never happened… for the good of the party.
I guess you WANT Republicans to pull stupid political tricks, get caught, power through… for the good of the party.
Where do you draw the line? After a mans reputation has been destroyed, for the good of the party?
When is wrong, wrong enough for you? Come join our party, this is what our front-runners do.
Team Martha is betting that endorsements and contributions will persuade the low-info Republicans in the primary.
At what price victory?
Or you could say we lose because we have candidates who play fast and lose with the truth. Should Republicans not police our own? Should we ignore emails defaming our candidates if sent by a Republican? I don’t think turning our backs to our own dirty tricks is the right answer. Should Republicans have no accountability?
It is sad to say that Martha just might have gotten away with it too, if it hadn’t been for that meddling Bryce!
I’m not seeing where I posited what you suggested.
I’m saying that we shouldn’t have perpetrated these things against ourselves in the first place.