The issue of Israel, and of Jews in general, is a bizarre one. No other religious/ethnic group is treated with has much hatred and contempt from one corner of the globe to the other, as are the Jews. In America, hating Jews is the only kind of bigotry mainstream culture seems to tolerate. Israel is one of the few nations towards which one can be both mindlessly suspicious and racist toward without any social repercussions. Â It’s weird.
The nation of Israel is about 8500 square miles, sheltering just under 9 million people (a quarter of which are Arab). It is essentially paradise in the Middle East, boasting the highest standard of living and life expectancy in the region, despite perpetual threats of terror and war from Israel’s neighbors. If you think that just under 9 million people cramming into just under 8500 hundred square miles sounds like a tight fit, you’d be correct. Israel continues to expand its settlements into territories it won in wars in which Israel was defending itself. Israel is building settlements on its own property.
So why is the world so upset? Many nations believe that the only way for there to be peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians is for the international community to establish a two-state solution. It seems obvious, now, that a significant aspect of this Two-State solution will be taking Israeli land and giving it to the Palestinians. Why else would nations oppose another nation building on their own land? Is there another nation, any other country on planet earth, within which the world would oppose self-development? Of course not (sort of, it’s complicated).
International Law states that it is illegal to move populations into territories won through war. So Israel is, in fact, breaking international law. However, this entire mess is ridiculous and defies logic. How did we get here?
Between June 5 and June 10 [1967], Israel defeated Egypt, Jordan, and Syria and occupied the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights. From the beginning, the United States sought a ceasefire in order to prevent an Arab defeat bad enough to force the Soviet Union to intervene. (United States Office of the Historian)
Israel was attacked by, and defeated, three of its neighbors. I don’t think we can hold it against Israel that it won some territory in the aftermath.
The administration’s concept of “land-for-peace†solidified following the war. “Certainly,†Johnson proclaimed, “troops must be withdrawn; but there must also be recognized rights of national life, progress in solving the refugee problem, freedom of innocent maritime passage, limitation of the arms race, and respect for political independence and territorial integrity.â€
Israel is one quarter Arab. They have not used the territories won in a defensive war to alienate their neighbors. In fact, if you want to live in peace, in a good economy, and with legally protected civil rights, Israel is one of the few harbors of hope that exist in the Middle East. The only reason the Western World sides with the surrounding Islamic nations is because they are terrified of getting drawn into a regional war against oil-producing nations. These are nations where there are relatively no civil rights. Women are raped, beaten, and owned by men. These are nations where homosexuals can be killed. So long as they have oil, however, we will continue to side with them over Israel.
Now, this does not mean that we are wholly antagonistic toward the Israeli Nation State. We have provided them with intelligence and weaponry for decades. We have enabled them to defend themselves against and to deter aggression from their neighbors. Our only interest is peace (and fully functional oil-fields).
The truth is, Israel is breaking unjust international law. This puts the United State in quite the pickle. If we intend to respect international law, then we must side against Israel, the only nation in the Middle East behaving rationally and in the United States’ long term moral interest. If we do not honor international law, then we remove the veil from the eyes of the world that the United Nations is a global farce, manufactured by the United States to justify Her own wars throughout the world.
So if this whole UN Resolution against Israel seems like the most bizarre thing you’ve ever seen, that is only because it is…..just that.
The Johnson administration did not re-enter the diplomatic fray until October, when the Soviets began to circulate a new version of the resolution that they had promoted that summer. Knowing that Israel would reject the Soviet draft, the administration encouraged the United Kingdom to introduce an alternative resolution devised by UN Ambassador Arthur Goldberg. Security Council Resolution 242, adopted on November 22, called for Israel’s withdrawal from “territories occupied in the recent conflict†in exchange for “termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.†Interpreted differently by Israelis and Arabs, this resolution would nonetheless remain the bedrock of all subsequent U.S. efforts to resolve the Arab-Israeli dispute.
Insofar as Israel interprets Resolution 242 differently from much of the rest of the world, there doesn’t seem to be any chance that Israel will respect last week’s resolution. I believe the UN to be a farce. We use it for our own purposes and ignore it when it suits us. We use it to condemn wars started by other nations, while using it to justify every war we promote. The rest of the world uses the United Nations to justify their own corruption as well, and to use the United States’ hypocrisy against us.
The truth is, that the United Nations, like the League of Nations before it, is an idealistic and childlike venture with few virtues and a deep well of vice. The United Nations is a perpetual Festivus for the rest of us, where the world airs its grievances.
However, it seems to be the only thing which, through illusion, keeps the peace in the Middle East. I suppose, all we can do is to allow it to continue for as long as we can, with the understanding that it is a fake international organization with absolutely no force of law. How long we can get away with this is impossible to predict, but I don’t see what other option.
Pulling out of the United Nations changes nothing, except destroying the illusions of dangerous people throughout the world. De-funding it and relocating it won’t make our situation better. Sure, the UNSC will do things that outrage us from time to time, just as our own government will do things which are immoral and outrageous on occasion. However, it isn’t a real thing. It has no meaningful teeth. It’s less powerful than the Red Cross and DWB, though it does provide cover for them in war torn areas. The UN keeps open roads so that relief can get to the people that need it. So, there is no upside to getting rid of the UN, until it actually tries to do something; and so long as it remains harmless, why not let the rest of the nations keep their illusions about there being some military and political equality at work in the world?
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http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/full-comment/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/its-time-canada-ended-its-double-standard-that-considers-israeli-settlements-illegal
French Court of Appeal rules that Israel is the legal occupier of West Bank
see http://www.israpundit.org/archives/63620822
Debunking 11 More False Assumptions Regarding Israel
http://jcpa.org/article/debunking-more-false-assumptions-regarding-israel/
Greenfield weighs in on Israel:
http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2017/01/kill-two-state-solution.html
Ted Cruz weighs in: https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=ksOVMkAsxjs
Here’s something for you Nazis to celebrate:
Hamas holds rally in Gaza to celebrate terrorist ramming that killed 4 Israelis
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Hamas-holds-rally-in-Gaza-to-celebrate-terrorist-ramming-that-killed-four-Israelis-477860
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When Israel conquers the middle east what a wonderful place it will be!
This article does nothing other than take the focus of the Trump administration off jobs, the economy, communist China, illegal Mexicans, and “the wall”.
I am not going to let that happen.
Whatever the pluses or minus of the article, you opened a can of hot debate … as per the ‘comments.’
At the risk of stepping in a hornet’s nest, I am obliged to comment.
Mr. Tucker, you omitted a foundational support for the modern Israel and its rights to Judea and Samaria (I refuse to refer to this “contested” land by the widely misused “West Bank” which assumes that the land belongs to Jordan) – the San Remo Accord from April, 1920 which, according to many experts in international law, supersedes the UN and any resolution they may adopt. See the video here: https://youtu.be/ijS8mFP4I1A.
The Jews are the only people in the world who are denied the right of self determination in their own ancestral land. The only one.
Building in Judea and Samaria is NOT illegal under international law.
The only goal of Palestinians in demanding land in exchange for promises is to promptly break those promises. They only want to get up close and personal when they slaughter the Jews. At the very least, they demand to make these ceded lands “judenrein”. Until this changes, there is no diplomatic solution no matter how badly Kerry and Power and Obama wish for it.
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and Israel alone and always will be no matter how many times and how loudly the Palis claim it as their own.
And at the risk of setting RRIII off again, I will offer some background on the Patriot vs. Arrow controversy. The Patriot defense system was offered to Israel as an incentive to stay out of the Gulf War I. It proved an imperfect solution. The Patriot was designed to protect isolated installations like a US Army base in the middle of a desert. The problem with the Patriot is that when an incoming missile is hit, the debris falls to the ground. If you’re in the desert, who care, right? But in Israel that debris fell on populated areas – on people’s heads. Not ideal. The Israelis believed that they could do better – a fact that infuriated Raytheon to no end. And they did do better – the Arrow – a system that is much better than the Patriot and that is now most willingly shared with the US.
Again to RRIII – it could be argued that the Israelis were instrumental in helping to bring down the Soviet Union. Israel was a major source of Soviet arms and weapon systems to the covert US actions in Afghanistan. The Israelis seized VAST amounts of Soviet weaponry during the first Lebanese war and couldn’t use them because they couldn’t be integrated with their existing US based weapon systems. So with the help of Egypt and Pakistan and with the US as the matchmaker, these weapons allowed the Afghans to defeat the Soviet Army and precipitated the breakup of the USSR (Charlie Wilson’s War – mostly true except it wasn’t Harrington who pushed Wilson to supply the Afghans. I know who it really was, but I’m not telling!).
There’s more – from mid 1982 until the fall of the Soviet Union, not a week went by in Israel without some delegation arriving from the Pentagon to review weapons testing conducted by the IDF on Soviet weapons systems. I know. I was there. I saw it. Do you know how long a specific Soviet-made weapon will last under every condition imaginable when cut off from the lines of supply, even when you start to cannibalize? The Pentagon knows because the IDF showed them. Useful intelligence that. It came in handy in Afghanistan and it might just come in handy again (should anyone ever decide to do something about Crimea or if Putin gets greedier still, etc.).
I won’t go into the technological and medical advancements that Israel has provided – heart stents, PillCam, drip irrigation, voice mail, texting, dual processors in your laptop, etc. – the list is too long.
And now let’s all wait for RRIII to bring up the USS Liberty….3…2…1…
“that is now most willingly shared with the US.”
First off, who financed the Arrow? Second, ask Boeing if they agree with you. Third, how many times did Israel get their asses kicked in the Old Testament. Fourth, why did God allow Israel to lose?
Wow…By all means, let’s talk about the money…There has been an ongoing debate in Israel about the need to “cut the cord” for decades, but perhaps – with Iran, ISIS, Hizbollah, Hamas, et al vowing the destruction of the Jews in Israel and beyond – this is not the best time.
It seems that some people are only comfortable with the Jews if they are victims, slaughtered and pursued worldwide. Would you feel better about my family and friends in Israel – some living in post-1967 neighborhoods for decades – if they were dead or enslaved by the Muslims? What did the Jews ever do to you that you would talk this way?
Yes, when Jewish lives and freedom hang in the balance, let’s talk about the money…
Just like you, all the talk about cutting the money cord is just that, talk. Obama just signed a new 10 year, $38 Billion “welfare check” for Israel.
Regarding your previous post, it seems to be nothing but a complete lie. For example, show evidence that Israel developed the cardiovascular stent?
Now, Israel has illegal expansion plans. Just as communist China has it’s illegal expansion plans, so does Israel. Israel is pissed off because somebody has the balls to stand up to them.
You are full of BS. Letting foreigners own US media outlets such as Fox News, is just as big a mistake as doing away with the FCC fairness act.
TROLL ALERT!!!!
This is what RRIII does all day long!
Done with you!
How glib you are in avoiding a credible response!
“Truth Alert” ha. ha
“Let’s talk about the money.” Be careful for what you wish for.
Well, Mr. Tucker is evidently busy, so I will stoke the fires. When he wrote, “In America, hating Jews is the only kind of bigotry mainstream culture seems to tolerate.” I thought to myself, “On what planet is Mr. Tucker living and what sort of whacky weed is he smoking?!?!” I am sorry, but on the planet on which I dwell and in the country of which I am a citizen, criticizing Jews with either outright anti-Semitic slander or historically-based facts and demographic data (as I do), is enough to get you banned as an anti-Semite or in my case, a “self-loathing Jew,” and hurled into the far reaches of the galaxy, light years away from polite society. Sheesh, even black public figures get in trouble when they criticize Jews as a group. Mr. Tucker, your credibilitometer just fell off the chart.
Steven is 100% credible, says Rabbi Cohen..
OK Good Rabbi. Tell me who has insulted Jews with impunity and come out unscathed. All a person has to do is merely suggest Jews “run”, “control”, or “dominate” Hollywood, the news media, or the major banks, and that person is gone. Poof. No mas. Adios, muchacho. As an ardent Zionist I have no problem with Israel’s right to exist or its claims to the land it CONQUERED.
My beef with Mr. Tucker is his phenomenal belief that public figures can mention anything negative or embarrassing to Jews, e.g. the extraordinary extent in which Jews are overrepresented in key areas of American society with little – if any – consequences. That type of thinking dominates La La Land. It is strictly verboten.
You also got the UN all wrong, also. The UN was founded by the USSR plus some American communists. It’s true goal was to bring the whole world under a single communistic government. The US has foolishly provided land and most of the funding as it sets about accomplishing this goal. Think of the EU but globally, not just Europe. The EU’s dictates override those of the other countries. The citizens of Britain was smart enough to pull out of the EU. The US needs to be smart enough to pull out of the UN before it can’t.
Al: You need a new hat. Wear it shiny side out.
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
You trolls are as tenacious as tapeworms. And with the same charm. They are more honest, however. Any honest person reading this thread could check out the birth of the UN. Especially how it was pushed by Alger Hiss.
I think we spend WAY too much time in this country discussing Israel and trying to solve their problems, this is especially true about Republicans.
Israel reminds me of a 40 year-old who is still dependent on their parents.
Its time for Israel to move out of the USA’s basement, live their own life, and solve their own damn problems.
You over simplify the relationship. It is (was?) very symbiotic. Israel gets to test U.S. weapons in actual war conditions and improves them. The Patriot missile, for example, plain did not work until Israel reprogrammed them to stop scuds. Military plane avionics are improved by Israel and given to the U.S. as part of the agreement. Israel developed drones and gave the plans to the US, etc.
Israel supplies intelligence to the U.S. If Israel had not taken out Iraq’s Osirus reactor, the US would have faced a nuclear Iraq.
Guess who developed cell phones & the chips used in your computer? And cat scans and tons of medical devices and techniques.
Guess which country sides the most with the US at the UN? The UK is second and not even close.
Many of the meds used in the US came from Israel.
And, there is only one country in the mideast that the US can count on, unless you happened to be an Islamic President.
Please back up your assertions with links. Anybody can say anything in here. The Patriots did work on scuds in Desert Storm. The Israeli’s did not have them at that time. They actually came begging for them when they found out what they could do. I doubt Israel gives anybody anything. If any of what you say is true, they are taking us to the cleaners $$$$ for it.
And, if what you say is true, there would be no need for the AIPAC throwing money all over Washington. Hell, listening to you, it sounds like they should be paying us. They got nothing without the USA.
Israel gives us intelligence? Just how many spy satellites do they have circling the planet?
Now post the links or go away.
After Net showed his ass by undercutting Obama with the speech before congress a few years ago, did you think there would not be a payback?
Who the are you to tell me to go away? The original post did not have links. You did not have links defending your blathering? All you do on this website is contradict anyone with a conservative opinion. If I knew a conservative discussion group that kicked out you trolls, I’d be there instead of here. (Are you listening, website owners?).
For no good reason, I’m posting one of myriad links to back up my position: http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-patriots-day/
BTW, AIPAC is a left-wing organization that should go to the same place you should go.
Yeah, well if you like Israel so much why don’t you move over there? You would be so much safer over there with those USA made Patriot missiles protecting you, now wouldn’t you?
For a link, you send me a copy of a Israeli newspaper? Gee, is that the best you can do?
How does today compare to your non-link?
They’ve moved past the Patriot and developed a better missile, the Arrow. Gave the plans to the US as part of a pre-al Obama agreement.
My family is here, for one thing. Why don’t you move to Cuba, Venezuela, China or North Korea since you’ll fit in better there?
Back up your assertion about the Arrow please.
Wikipedia entry on Arrow missile. Or you you too dumb to look things up yourself? Last time I do it for you.
It’s pretty bad when I get attacked for defending America, in America.
Defending America? I’ve seen many of your posts and they are all left handed. Making America part of the NWO is destroying it, not defending it.
Before the current POtuS, America and Israel had a wonderful partnership that strengthened both countries. B. Hussein decided to back terrorists instead, and it has weakened America. Hopefully, Trump can reverse the damage.
Go and have the last word. I’m sure the readers here (if they haven’t tuned out) can use the laugh.
What, am I leftist because I believe America should provide affordable healthcare for it citizens, just like Israel does, and always has, with its citizens? Does that make me leftist?
Am I leftist because I object that AIPAC can purchase an American politician like a pack of cigaretttes? Can they do that in Israel?
Or, are you just upset that some of us Americans know what the real deal is with Israel?
Is it Constitutional, or justice to Liberty, that the American people be coerced by their government(s) at gun point into a Socialist transfer of labor and acquired wealth out of their pockets without their consent just to fund foreign states?
None of your glib reasons, no matter how good or bad, speak to this fundamental question.
I am totally against the U.S. giving foreign aid to any country. But you B*st*rds don’t write about the general case. All you write about is aid to Israel. There is a word for that: antisemitism.
Let me add that the money the U.S. gives to Israel’s enemies around it far exceed that to given to Israel. And, the U.S. gets nothing back for it.
Why dontcha write an article on how NASA is going around fixing up mosques all over the world?
Berty Boy! Such shameful language! Very bad! Very bad! And you even have the arch-gall to trot out the ‘Shut Up Word,’ the one you all trot out when the Goyim (also your word … and not very nice) begin to stampede over the Narrative.
Now go back and re-read what I actually said. And see if you notice any
words that end in the plural absent the alleged singular.
You know Al, what’s really is incredibly interesting about this conversation, is how a country that doesn’t believe that Jesus Christ is their Savior, has to totally depend on a country where people who believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior is the predominant religion.
Explain that?
1) Yes, it is interesting
2) Religion and politics are two different things, or should be
3) Israel should not be dependent to the U.S.
a) The U.S. gives money to Israel’s enemies, too
b) Israel, hopefully, learned their lesson when the POtuS told the Pentagon not to sell rockets to Israel in the middle of the Gaza war
4) Well, JC was Jewish 🙂
Berty Boy! Such shameful language! Very bad! Very bad! And you even
have the arch-gall to trot out the ‘Shut Up Word,’ the one you all trot
out when the Goyim (also your word … and not very nice) begin to
stampede over the Narrative.
Now go back and re-read what I actually said. And see if you notice any
words that end in the plural absent the alleged singular.
What about the East Bank settlements, Wall St. and Faux News? Should Israel give them back?
Poor RRIII. He gets all tearful when discussing Israel, because it means discussing Joo, and RRIII does not like Joo. There is Joo running Wall Street, and the media, and all the banks. There is Joo in the schools, and even in his neighborhood!
Listen, little cockroach, if you hate Joo so much, maybe you should go somewhere they don’t have Joo, like North Korea, We can see how you might fit in.
Nope, I do not hate Jewish people, never have. However, if it be Israel, communist China, Russia. whoever, they need to stay out of our politics.
Your previous posts have given a much different impression. In the meantime, learn to find Israel on a map.
I think I might have found Israel;
http://www.rawstory.com/2012/08/fbi-investigates-republican-congressmens-drunken-naked-escapades-in-israel/
Ah, I see the trouble. Very little chance of you being anywhere near naked, attractive women.
At my age and income, I’d say you are correct. You see, other than money for basic living expences, I could care less about it.
Now, while I got your ear. Since you are so anti-American. Instead of letting Israel rob us for our healthcare, why don’t we look at their healthcare system and model ours after it?
You people are telling everybody how Israel developed all these missile systems, and advanced medical procedures for the US, why not let them model a socialized healthcare system for us? Just like theirs.
I am an Ashkenazi Joo, at least by birth and ethnicity, and I am a staunch supporter of Israel. I think the money we give Israel is an investment in keeping western civilization alive in the Middle East. But if you don’t think that the tribe does not have an overwhelmingly disproportionate amount of influence on Wall Street, in the media, in the Democratic and Republican parties, and in academia then you are not living in Realville. You want examples? I have the data to back up what I say. I don’t cite this stuff to cast aspersions, but rather to keep the record straight. The European Ashkenazim have been marvelously successful in America. They have extremely high IQs, and have won unparalleled numbers of scientific, literary, and music awards. Their members dominate the highest positions in the financial, media, political, and cultural worlds. C’mon. Let’s stop kidding each other. We are supposed to be a PC-Free Zone. But unfortunately, there is often a price to pay for speaking the truth. For citing the above, I am no longer invited to any more family bar mitvahs. That’s too bad, because I really do like chopped liver and I love to dance the mayim.
from Vic Rosenthal:
The Jewish people have a legal, historical and moral right to live anywhere in the land between the Jordan and the Mediterranean; and the only sovereign power in this region is Israel, the state of the Jewish people. Here is why:
From a legal point of view, the land was originally a part of the Ottoman Empire, which ceased to exist at the end of WWI. “Palestine†was set aside for the Jewish people by the Palestine Mandate, which was supposed to be administered for their benefit by Britain, which then tried to subvert it for its own interests. It’s clear that while the intent of the Mandate was that all residents would have civil rights, rights to a “national home†were reserved for the Jewish people, who were also explicitly granted the right of “close settlement on the landâ€. This was affirmed for all the land from the river to the sea by the representatives of the international community in 1923.
The partition resolution of November 1947 (UNGA 181) was non-binding – a recommendation for a permanent settlement after the end of the Mandate. But it was never implemented. In 1948, the Arabs rejected the UN’s partition resolution and invaded the territory of the former Mandate, blatantly violating the UN Charter in an attempt to acquire the territory for themselves. The 1949 ceasefire agreement that ended hostilities was not a peace agreement, and both sides insisted that that the ceasefire lines were not political boundaries. Their only significance was to mark the locations of the armies when the shooting stopped.
The 19-year Jordanian annexation of the territory it controlled that followed was illegal, only recognized by Britain (and maybe Pakistan). This occupation did not change the status of the land in any way.
The state of Israel was declared in 1948 and recognized by numerous other states. But what were its borders? Certainly not the armistice lines and not the recommendations of the partition resolution. However, legal scholars Eugene Kontorovich and Avi Bell recently provided a clear answer:
Israel’s borders and territorial scope are a source of seemingly endless debate. Remarkably, despite the intensity of the debates, little attention has been paid to relevance of the doctrine of uti possidetis juris to resolving legal aspects of the border dispute. Uti possidetis juris is widely acknowledged as the doctrine of customary international law that is central to determining territorial sovereignty in the era of decolonization. The doctrine provides that emerging states presumptively inherit their pre-independence administrative boundaries.
Applied to the case of Israel, uti possidetis juris would dictate that Israel inherit the boundaries of the Mandate of Palestine as they existed in May, 1948. The doctrine would thus support Israeli claims to any or all of the currently hotly disputed areas of Jerusalem (including East Jerusalem), the West Bank, and even potentially the Gaza Strip (though not the Golan Heights)
Israel’s practical acquisition of sovereignty over all the land in 1967 is thus entirely legitimate. And since Israel did not occupy land belonging to any other sovereign power, it is incorrect to refer to Judea and Samaria as “occupied territory.†Naftali Bennett’s statement that “you can’t occupy your own land†is precisely correct.
Article 49 of the 4th Geneva convention, the usual justification for saying that settlements are illegal only applies to occupied territory, which Judea and Samaria are not. But even if they were occupied territory, the intent of article 49 was to prevent forcible transfer of a population the way the Nazis sent German Jews to occupied Poland, not people moving of their own free will.
From a historical point of view, the Palestinians claim that they lived here for generations and European Jews came and displaced them. But in fact all but a few ‘Palestinians’ are descended from Arabs who migrated to the area for economic reasons after the advent of Zionism, and even fewer arrived before the invasion by Muhammad Ali in the 1830s. The Jewish connection to the land doesn’t need further explication. Judea and Samaria, in fact, represent the biblical heartland of the Jewish people, where its history took place and where its holy places are located. If there is any part of the land of Israel that should belong to the Jewish people, it is Judea (including Jerusalem) and Samaria.
From a moral point of view, the Palestinians have had criminal leaders that have relied on war and terrorism to achieve their goals. Haj Amin al-Husseini started several pogroms in pre-state Palestine, and then collaborated with Hitler in his attempt to bring the Holocaust to the Middle East. Yasser Arafat and the PLO popularized airline (and other) hijacking to blackmail nations into supporting his goals, and was responsible for at least one major regional war (Lebanon 1982) and countless massacres and terror attacks against Israel and other nations. Hamas explicitly calls for genocide against Jews and is guilty of numerous war crimes. Palestinians have refused territorial compromises when offered and have started several wars against Israel (1947, second intifada, Hamas wars). Why should they be allowed to benefit from these actions?
Jerusalem. One interesting additional issue is the insistence of the US State Department that no part of Jerusalem, eastern or western, belongs to Israel. The 1947 partition resolution called for Jerusalem to be under international control. But as I noted, the resolution was only advisory and was never implemented. The Mandate did not give any special status to Jerusalem. The State Department’s insistence on this point is inconsistent, given that it appears to agree that Acco and Nazareth, which were to be parts of the Arab state proposed in 1947, are currently parts of Israel. It is also indefensible. And the deliberate vehemence with which the Obama Administration has pressed this view is irrational, insulting and clearly anti-Zionist.
One must allow that it is the habit of Mankind to cloak argumentation in the fabric of “… legal, historical and moral right.” It is, of course, quite normal to put the best foot forward, and in this you succeed admirably.
In counterpoint to your views, I would say that the road that led to the eventual establishment of the state of Israel was on the one hand more the result of a long
train of blandishments and ’emoluments’ tendered to those in power able to effect results, and on the other hand a direct outcome arrived at by Right of Conquest, and in fact … a multiplicity of conquests.
You mention ‘uti possidetis juris.’ But you do so without context. For example, who was ‘uti possidetis juris’ prior to the opening of the floodgate of the Sephardi and Ashkenazim migration from Europe into the Levant post the Ottoman collapse? And what of the people centuries on the land who were pushed into an effective ‘dhimmitude’ by the power of the created state of Israel? Do none of these have any “… legal, historical and moral right to live anywhere in the land between the Jordan and the Mediterranean?â€
Your narrative is for sure a scholarly one. But for its gaps, it appears to way too lopsided.
You are wrong. Those Arabs that left Israel when it was attacked in 1948 were not pushed out by Israelis. The attacking states urged them to leave, join them and then return once they won. But they did not win, leaving those who foolishly left homeless.
According to you, anyone who does not agree with your drawn narrative is ‘wrong.’ Readers beware! This tough guy opens every retort with a battering ram!
Resolving the whole mess in your head with the words ‘leaving’ and ‘foolishly left homeless,’ just upped and left, defies the whole observable pattern of human history. And this kind of gratuitous explaining of things away is not even what I’d call very smart propaganda.
Come on! You can do better than this pathetic explanation!
I didn’t make that up. It is historical fact, The “foolish” part is in retrospect because they made the wrong decision. Those that stayed are known as Israeli Arabs. They are in the Israeli Parliament and have a standard of living far exceeding the so-called Palestinians. They are exempt from being in the IDF, yet many join because they feel that they are defending their homeland: Israel.
Here’s a good (4 minute) video on the subject:
https://www.prageru.com/courses/foreign-affairs/why-are-there-still-palestinian-refugees
Does dressing the argument up in drag defeat the original assertion, or is it simply a case of legerdemain designed to avoid that fact that people usually do not abandon their property gratuitously without a dire threat of force being somewhere in the equation?
Why do you make things up? Civilians always abandon areas where war is waging.
My friend, I’ll let the readers decide who uses foul language, who uses weaponized words, who baits and switches the conversation when it suits, and who cherry picks history. I’ll let the readers decide, and the rest of world for that matter. The bad news for you is that the old narratives are obsolete, and the old canned packaged arguments are losing Big Time. The old propaganda of the Global Elites, no matter the country, no matter the continent, the old script is no longer believed.
So no matter whether it is Israel, Syria, the united States, Britain, the states of the European Union, or whatever country, I prefer to let the people decide who is naughty and who is nice, and who is just a plain liar on the Global Stage.
Mr. Tucker….I think you have been writing too much and as a result are a tad too tightly wound. Before I engage further with you about Jews and Israel, I would like to ask one simple question. Have you ever spent any considerable time in your life in an ALL JEWISH environment? For example, I was raised by a Jewish mother and all my New York family is Jewish. I grew up in the lower east side of Manhattan which at the time of my birth was the largest Jewish neighborhood in the world outside of Isreal. I attended Jewish summer camps for six years as both a child and young adult. In public schools as an “intellectually gifted child,” my classmates were overwhelmingly Jewish. My high school, Stuyvesant, at one time the best public high school in the USA, was 80% Jewish. Thus, I know Jews really well. I was just wondering on what basis you exhibit such unbridled Semitophilia.