I talked to my mom on the phone this afternoon. She was surprised to have heard the opinion expressed on Fox News that it is time for Ted Cruz to get out of the race. Why, she wondered, were they not calling for Rubio to get out, since he has fewer delegates than Cruz and, unlike Cruz, has yet to win a primary?
I believe I know the answer, but first let’s recap what has happened so far in the primaries.
Of the five candidates still in the running (Jeb Bush announced his exit today), Ted Cruz is currently in second place for total delegates (11) after Donald Trump (61). Rubio is third (10). With 1,237 delegates needed to secure the nomination, the thing is far from over.
The South Carolina primary took place Saturday, and on the Republican side the results broke like this: 1) Donald Trump, 32.5%, 2) Marco Rubio, 22.5%, 3) Ted Cruz, 22.3%, with Jeb Bush, John Kasich, and Ben Carson each achieving only single digits.
Two primaries preceded South Carolina: In Iowa on February 1, Ted Cruz came from behind and left both Trump and Rubio in the dust – Cruz a comfortable 3.3 percentage points ahead of the next contender. In this case, all three conservative candidates (Cruz, Carson, and Rubio) out-performed their poll expectations, but Cruz was the hands-down winner overall, due in part to his superior ground game and a very enthusiastic and dedicated army volunteers who had been hitting the pavement across the state in the lead-up.
In liberal New Hampshire on February 9, Trump won handily, with 35%. Predictably, liberal John Kasich had what will probably be his strongest performance that night, coming in second with 15.8%. The really interesting thing is that Ted Cruz, by far the most conservative of the Republican field, beat out the remainder of the candidates in this state, taking third place with 11.7%, a performance in a pond not usually warm to a conservative and outspoken Christian candidate that raised eyebrows nationally. This result was hailed by some observers, and certainly by the Cruz campaign, as evidence that a principled conservative can indeed appeal to a wider electorate.
Now we are ready to return to my mom’s question: Why would hosts* on Fox News suggest that it is time for the Republican candidate in second place overall should exit the race?
Proposed answer: Marco Rubio is the last shot the Republican Establishment has at keeping immigration laws from finally being enforced, and Fox News (as evidenced, among many other things, by Karl Rove’s persistent presence as a political commentator – a point frequently noted by Mark Levin) is, sorry to say, mostly a GOP Establishment outfit at this point.
Amnesty supporters cannot (obviously) call for the front runner, Trump, to exit the race. Of course, suggesting Cruz exit is ridiculous at this point, since he is in second place, has proven himself willing to stand for the stated principles of the Party even when others crumble, and has run one of the smartest campaigns of all candidates (including the Democrats – but that is not saying much) this cycle.
Therefore, hoping for a Cruz exit only makes sense in light of the desperation of the pro-Amnesty forces. (Yes, I know that Amnesty is not the only issue for the GOP Establishment, but clearly it is the major issue shaping this election.) On the issue that matters most to the electorate and (for opposite reasons!) the Establishment, Ted Cruz is exactly identical to Donald Trump. Therefore, Ted Cruz is simply unacceptable to the GOP Establishment.
But don’t stop reading yet! We’ve only just now gotten to the really important question, the question hinted at by the headline above and perhaps the single most emotionally driving issue of this election cycle: Why is the Republican Establishment so dead-set on Amnesty for illegal immigrants in the first place, when opposing Amnesty is not only the right thing to do morally (think equality of everyone before the law, national security, national sovereignty, and upholding the will of the people as embodied in laws they have legitimately passed through their elected officials), but also a winning issue nationally and even across partisan lines?
I believe the answer mostly lies with the adage “follow the money,” but unlike most people who attribute the motive to the desires of “big business” generally, I don’t think this is the major driver.
True, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce (Levin calls this the U.S. Chamber of Crony Capitalism) is one of the big villains pushing the amnesty issue today. However, since the labor market shifts for all businesses equally in the sense that when the market wage for a particular job in a particular vicinity rises, it rises not just for one business, but also for their competitor. Therefore, even with rising wages, in a free market any business owner who is producing a decent product or service and managing their business smartly can compete successfully – they will be at no disadvantage in the marketplace simply because labor costs increase.
So, except with regard to exports, I do not believe that “cheap labor” is really the core factor in the illegal immigration issue for businesses generally.
However, there is one set of businesses that does indeed stand to lose a huge amount of money if as many as 20 million illegal immigrants return (or are returned) to the countries of their citizenship: Banks, and in particular banks that have chosen (some for decades) to lend to people illegally present in the United States.
Bear in mind that banks doing this (by accepting, for example, the Matricula Consular card as valid identification to open accounts and engage in other business with the institution) has been a conscious, if risky, business decision. But many could not resist the allure of the profits and have counted instead on their lobbying influence in the end to prevent the will of the people to be enacted through the enforcement of the laws of the land.
Those banks that have chosen to go this route certainly did not count on the electorate getting this mad about illegal immigration, to the point at which they now face the actual possibility that the laws will be applied as written and immigration will return to the orderly process that it ought to have been all along.
So, at this time many of the largest U.S. banks face the potential of millions of illegal immigrants defaulting on credit card debt, home loans, car loans, college loans, medical loans, and so forth – if they return to the countries of their citizenship. This is simply unacceptable to the profiteers of lawlessness. So, they are going to fight the law, and they are going to fight the American people, and they are going to try every trick in the book, including lobbying and buying influence, to make sure you don’t win the day by returning the United States to a nation of laws.
This, I believe, is the major reason Ted Cruz is simply unacceptable as the Anti-Trump. Cruz’ support for equality of everyone before the law regarding immigration is identical to that of Trump, and so he will cause as much trouble to the banks in this matter as would Trump himself.
Finally, what must be done?
First, we must nominate a candidate at all costs who will return to rule of law and will not support different laws for different people via Amnesty. Preferably it should also be a candidate who does not like Obamacare. And who will appoint originalists to the Supreme Court. And who is reliable and has a track record as a conservative.
Second, we must anticipate and oppose the inevitable actions of those banks who have taken unethical risks and will then come running back to the American people for “bailouts” when their illegal immigrant customers default upon their return to their countries of citizenship. Nobody has forced certain banks to issue loans and credit to people illegally present, and the American people should therefore not have to bear the burden of those banks stupid and risky decisions.
Third, right now Americans should find out which banks have been issuing loans to illegal immigrants. Consider taking your business elsewhere.
The great thing about the United States, and one reason that it has long been the “Land of Opportunity,” has been the fact that everyone is entitled to equal treatment under the law. The United States cannot remain the Land of Opportunity if we are no longer a land governed by laws but instead become a place where each person does as he or she pleases and follows only those rules he or she finds convenient. The immigration issue cuts to the very core of who we are and to the very structure of American society. We are a fair-minded people and we must not start treating some groups of people differently than others. Most Americans understand this, even if the Washington elites and the business cronies do not.
(Disclosure: I like Ted Cruz, have personally endorsed him for President, and have volunteered and donated to his campaign.)
* I am trusting what my parents told me they heard Sunday on Fox, but as I seldom watch Fox News any more myself, I merely relate it according to our conversation.
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Yes the establishment wants amnesty and open borders–looking at you POS at Bearing Drift. The real lunacy of this position is that… um.. They are going to be obsolete within their own lifetimes. Third world illegal immigrants are not yearning to vote for country club Republicans… They are going to vote for the party of welfare you idiots at Bearing Drift. Look you dopes… NOT a SINGLE Democrat opposes open door immigration now. NOT ONE. Do the idiot GOPe dopes at Bearing Drift and at the RNC not understand that Democrats know they will be in power for a 100 years with amnesties, no illegal immigration enforcement, catch and release programs…
Yes banks want illegal immigration. Go to Fairfax and go to a bank.. the tellers speak to each other in Spanish.
SJ ,
A local banker who does Spec Home Construction loans in my area { fellow church member }is a Trump supporter just because of the local contractors he lends too , they walk out the door with hundreds of thousands of dollars then violate our laws by using underground labor even though the existance of threats to the homeland through big lending. The crap has to stop.
Trump hate him or not he brought this out and the
fit hit the shan , the oppurtunity is here for the just!
Interesting read. I still think it is for the cheap labor.
What it all comes down to? Do people believe that those here illegally should be allowed to be employed?
That is the real question.
Should they be allowed to be employed ?
We are past that they are running subcontracting bussinesses with illegal employees , then when they are detected by the Virginia Employment Commission they are classified as ” bona-fide independent contractors “.
Call DPOR, ask Director Olson ; Can I without a contractors license go out into the public and obtain contracts and work and be a ” bona-fide independent contractor ” and just disregard DPOR Regulations on Contracting.
Now ask ; when I get paid with the 1099 can I in turn do the same with the men I give the work too ?
Yes Reinhardt , You may go to a local Building Inspections Office in Virginia purchase a Building Permit for a New Home walk out the door disregard the Virginia Employment Compensation Act and Statutes 54.1-1100 {and Prohobited Acts Section }.
Break down the construction ; Footings , foundation , framing {erecting home }, elect. , plumbing , HVAC , insulation , sheetrock , trim carpentry , decks , siding , roofing , paint , concrete finishing { driveways , sidewalks }.
Reinhardt now get your wife to obtain a Realtors License as to cut the percentage cost to you. Your homes will sell faster and there is more wiggle room for negotiations.
Your sales are increasing quickly , the profits are coming in hand over fist now sell the mom and pop Realty Company to a National chain base on the large sales numbers of you selling these illegallly built and Marketed Homes.
Don’t worry about illegal immigration it is the Federal Goverment fault they let these people in and I can’t find any Americans that want to work .
Wecome to Virginia.
Virginia is for Lovers ,,,,,,,, Lovers of illegal Commerce and Employment that is.
Even many LEGAL immigrant visas carry employment restrictions!
But people here illegally have no right to be employed. Zero. It is not a matter of opinion.
Nor do illegal immigrants have a right to in-state tuition, or welfare, or “tax refunds,” etc. The fact that they DO get these things in many cases does not mean that there is any question (under the law) about whether they “should.” In every one of these cases, fraud is being committed against all the American people, but in particular against the taxpayers.
Good article, I actually learned something. But next time, please, get to the point a whole lot quicker. Remember, BLUF, or bottom line, up front. You had WAY too much stuff up front which the average TBE reader was very likely to already know.
Amnesty ? So what ? If they were all citizens today then the credible question is ;
What are we going to do with the employers who use illegal immigrants {exploit them} to circumnavigate employer and contractor laws to gain a financial edge over legal employers ?
Answer that Va Republican Majority in particular { R Senator DeSteph SB483 allowing the licensed contractor to employ illegal immigrants as unlicensed contractors } ?
Good job with that crony legislation Tidewater Builders Association NAHB Directorand your District 08 Republican Senator ” El ” DeStepho.
Do all contractors at the TDWTR Bldrs. Ass. use illegal aliens as unlicensed contractors ?
Some of the same in the Central part of the state as well ;
http://watchdog.org/202012/subcontractors-shadow-economy-
Jail the illegal employers.
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The article you link is good. It’s true that some employers currently cheat their competition by employing illegal immigrants under the table. However, this would be a reason for those businesses to want to keep the status quo (Barring the penalties) rather than to remove their own “competitive advantage” by legalizing illegal immigrants. It kind of supports the point made in the article above that overall, ordinary employers don’t really have a big vested interest in “amnesty.” … Those businesses that employ illegals now will be hurt if immigration law begins to be enforced, but the other businesses who currently play by the book will actually be helped because their unethical competitors will no longer be able to cheat.
What you are saying about future possible immigration enforcement is correct .
I am focused on how they are illegally employed as with the 1099/Employee Misclassification {legislation is currently being written} and through licensed Contractors then SubContracting to unlicensed contractors { without the Employer VEC account }.
Governor McAuliffe and the Employee Misclassification Task Force is doing this work now { and a darn good job at it , so far }.
I can’t find a Republican that wants to do this work { irony , Republicans do not want to work }.
Senator DeSteph personally must feel the teeth of this Task Force this is why in his bill , SB483 he wants to stop these notifications of Contractors using unlicensed contractors/illegal aliens to DPOR for investegations , to the VEC for audits performed under the Va. Employment Compensation Act and to local courts for prosecution.
They now have thier finger in the pie and hand in the cookie jar. This is thier doing and this is the direction that they will follow not to clean it up , but to profiteer untill wev stop them.
I do not know of one Va. Republican Senator that wants to stop this exploitation , they will offer up many weak pi$$ poor reasons. The time for them to step up is now and they willfully sit on the bench and watch as they endorse thier contribution checks.
Va. Republicans are not Lincoln Republicans , but the contrary the modern slave traders at the expense to the annual loss of 25 Million to VA.’s General Fund { JLARC 427 }.
Yes 21 Republican State Senators sit floating on the top of pond of complicity , they are the CEO’s of deception.
You are right on. The Chamber of Commerce seeks to use the laws to protect the businesses they represent from too much competition and use the laws to get the most profit they can. They aren’t business friendly – they are friendly to the businesses that support them and use their power to kill off competitors. If you are a small business supporter – support NFIB. It’s not the Chamber’s job to care about American workers – it’s their job to protect the profits from these businesses.
Terrific! At the very end of your anti-Rubio screed, we learn that the inspiration for your article, and your contention that the “establishment” and Fox News wants Cruz to cash in his chips, is based on what your parents thought they heard on Fox News?
No candidate seeking the Republican nomination would ever propose amnesty for illegals. This does not mean that every one of the same candidates would actually oppose amnesty once in office.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Menb17EuuP4
Do I support amnesty? No.
Deporting 12 million people? No. We don’t have the resources to do it.
And even if we did, the moral implications of forcing 12 MILLION people out of the country at gunpoint?
No to that either.
Both solutions stink. Go to the sensible ground, the one espoused by Perry, Cruz, Fiorina, Walker, Jindal, practically every other candidate.
The wall? YES!
Mass deportation? No.
The only way your argument holds water is if our immigration laws were unjust in the first place (they weren’t), or if there exists no legal and orderly pathway to entry and/or citizenship to which anyone may apply (there does).
So, even though mass deportation will not be necessary (once we get serious about this, a good portion of people illegally present will find their own way out), deporting everyone illegally present is neither un-compassionate nor immoral. We did not make the decision to circumvent the available legal pathway – they did. In many cases, they involved their minor children in their lawbreaking – and this is probably a good time for a young generation to learn through experience that doing wrong often has consequences not only for the person doing it but also for their families and others around them.
By the way, do you happen to work for, or have financial interest in, a bank?
Nope. To say that deportation of 12 million people is the only fair route, under changeable laws, is a false equivalence that the solid enforcement of the law trumps the moral concerns of the people making the law.
The idea people will self-deport once the borders are shut isn’t true. Mitt Romney was widely criticized by both sides for that one. If people had wanted to stay where they were the wouldn’t have come here in the first place. They came for jobs, or to escape the situation in their own country. Closing our borders won’t change the fact that they came here to work, or change the situation in their country. Hence, their reasons to stay remain static and the mass deportation will commence.
Yes, they made the choice to break the law. So then, should we, in pursuit of keeping up the law, banish millions of people? No.
When it comes to the borders I am set on security, sealing them, When it comes to the people here I take the viewpoint, which is the viewpoint usually espoused by Conservative leaders and churches, that we cannot as people of conscience banish 12 million people at gunpoint. It won’t happen.
And if it did, quite frankly, we’d know that the moral character of America has been destroyed.
Nope, although I find it amusing that you think I have a financial stake in this situation, as though that is the only reason to oppose exiling millions of people. As an American, I have a moral stake in this fight.
The moral character of America hinges upon our proposition that all people are created equal and that everyone, from the humble worker to the President and even (yes) the Secretary of State, is subject to the laws of the land.
Why? Because in the United States the elected leaders are not sovereign – – the people are. We pass laws in orderly fashion through our elected representatives. Our common assent to the proposition that everyone should follow the same laws is crucial to the continuation of a culture that upholds the civil society.
It is immoral to grant amnesty to 20 milion people whose one common distinguishing feature from the American population (and from legal immigrants) is that they do not feel the law should apply to them the way it applies to other immigrants or to the population in general.
Amnesty selects for the opposite type of immigrant than does legal immigration. Legal immigration selectively brings good citizens (those who follow laws) into our country. Illegal immigration selectively brings bad citizens (those who are lawless and feel their own personal advantage is a valid reason to break the rules).
You are kidding yourself if you think 20 million people with a lawless outlook does not affect the culture of this nation and erode our civil society. It does and it already has. It will continue to do so to our great peril if we don’t stop it. Destroying the common assent to the rule of law is immoral, and a fraud against the stakeholders of the society (the current citizens) and against future generations.
Everything we do has an effect. If we think we can do Amnesty for those who think it is OK to chronically break the law and who continue to do so every single day they remain here illegally, we only affirm to a future generation that the law no longer matters. THIS is heartless and immoral.
The moral character of America centers on the idea that everyone is created equal and is therefore entitled to equal dignity and protection under the law to which they are subject.
Gunpoint deportation isn’t dignified, or moral.
Our common assent to the laws depends on the laws being a point of moral agreement, that they equally service and protect all that live under them. If they fail to uphold this charge they are to be changed, not according to “feelings” but according to moral necessity and logic.
You are the one saying amnesty, I’m not. Nor are the Conservative leaders, church leaders, and other civic leaders suggesting alternatives to deportation.
Did I ever say that, that nothing would happen if they stayed? No. Don’t project what you think I should be onto who I am.
Assimilation is a requirement, ideally part of education reform is to reintroduce some patriotism into public schools. As Bobby Jindal said, immigration without assimilation is invasion. Immigration with assimilation is what is being suggested by those who state, correctly, that mass deportation is immoral.
The idea that upholding a law at the cost of exiling 12 million lives is a more moral viewpoint to changing the law is morally bankrupt. It’s another false equivalence, that if we don’t protect the land according to the laws that are in-place, regardless of the morality of them, we are failing our culture.
If the law can’t be change for logical, legal, and moral purposes, if laws most be enforced as they are without regard to the cost for fearing of our compromising our identity, we would still have slavery and Obamacare would be permanent. The law is subject to the rigors of the moral fiber of the nation and the reasoning of the legal scholars that help write it.
We are nation of laws not men, but we are a nation of laws that are written by men according to belief in a higher purpose, namely God.
If the adherence to the law becomes greater than our adherence to our fellow men and women then we have failed to uphold our purpose and have become stuck in legal viewpoints over moral duties.
Again, I will reiterate, I am not, nor are the countless others, including every candidate in the field besides Trump, endorsing amnesty. Getting off scot free would leave us with a terrible precedent. Mass deportation is the extreme opposite of amnesty, and it is just as dangerous and foolish with regard to our character as a nation.
You clearly do not want to deport people whom the law says deserve deportation, and you have stated that deporting chronic and willful lawbreakers who have no legal right to be present would be immoral.
However, you have not stated why you feel it would be immoral.
You also allege that deportation is “extreme,” and you seem to really like to underscore your position by resorting to the imagery of “at gunpoint.”
Should we stop enforcing all decent and reasonable laws on the premise that it would be “undignified” to send lawbreakers to jail or to apply other reasonable remedies called for by the law in each case?
I guess I am not quite sure why you think deportation of people who know they have no right to be in this country yet remain anyway is immoral?
Assimilation, by the way, is a very important thing to do, but it ought to be done with immigrants who respect our laws enough to come in the front door. We have no moral obligation to assimilate millions of bad citizens.
Because deporting 12 million people is immoral, that’s the entire point right there.
It would be immoral to drive people out of this nation at gunpoint. That’s not a deep point. Families would inevitably be scattered, no matter how hard we tried to make sure they ended up together, forced back into nations where drugs and poverty are much more common, lives ruined. And the moral implications for us? That we not only tolerated that banishment but held that ruination of lives up as something moral to uphold? Immoral as can be.
Because that’s what would happen, those people would be dragged out at gunpoint or hunted down. You think they’d sit there and be docile and accept that they have to leave? No.
It’s not a decent and reasonable law or expectation to deport 12 million people. Deporting a couple of murderers? People who committed more crimes than just coming here illegally? Fine. Deporting 12 million people? Nope.
Because they are here. That’s the crux of it, they are here and we have to deal with them in a morally just way. A way that reflects our character as a nation.
Assimilation is essential, but to decry 12 million people as bad citizens? Not all illegals are violent or dangerous people. If the border is sealed to prevent any more people from coming in, and assimilation takes place, we could have millions of productive new citizens.
Assimilation is the difference between getting someone who wants to transplant their culture here and someone who becomes part of this culture while upholding their own heritage. As part of the “all cultures are equal” multiculturalism pushed by the left we stopped teaching about why America was and is a great country. Teach people to uphold America as a good nation and you’ve got new citizens who will fight for American ideals. Leave them alone as illegal immigrants and they try and transplant failed ideas into America.
Why is the sky yellow with green polka dots? Joseph: “The sky is yellow with green polka dots because it is yellow with green polka dots – that’s why.”
If a family were separated because a father went to prison for robbing a convenience store, would you blame the American people for insisting that the law or sentence be enforced?
Perhaps it is a moral issue – however, the moral blame would not belong with America, but with the people who made the choice to cross and stay illegally.
People who already have (and still do! The legal pathways are as open to illegal immigrants now as they ever have been. But they can’t be bothered…) a pathway to legal entry and citizenship … but who choose instead to continue breaking the law day after day are … BAD CITIZENS.
I notice that actually isn’t a reply to what I said. You skipped over the point, that the immorality of mass deportation should be obvious, and jumped straight into insults without considering my points on why it is immoral before you started defending the idea of deportation.
No, that’s an untrue premise for your point. Violent to nonviolent crimes? Different reactions and penalties to each. And a different need for those reactions.
If we react to an illegal action with an immoral one, both sides are repugnant.
The legal pathways? Have you looked at the current immigration system? That thing is a mess.
If we assimilate them, they can become good citizens. As it is, right now, they aren’t American citizens at all, hence the need to deal with them, one way or another, as illegals.
The response to a law is based upon the severity of the offense. The penalty for illegal presence is not jail time or capital punishment – it is removal. This punishment fits the crime perfectly.
“If we assimilate them, they can become good citizens”? Perhaps, but why do you even want to put them on a different, extra special pathway, which they have “earned” by mere virtue of the fact that they (unlike other immigrants) took it upon themselves to break our laws on purpose? In other words, why are illegal immigrants somehow more deserving than, for example, would-be legal immigrants who are waiting in line?
In fact, they are not more deserving. Illegal immigrants overall are the least deserving of legal status, in fact. They have failed test number one for American civics: Follow the law even if it is difficult.
Yes, punishment is defined by the offense. However, forcing people out in massive numbers ruining families and lives, is disproportionate to their crimes. To put it bluntly, mass deportation is more damaging to them then their being here illegally is as a crime. Due to the sheer amount of personal damage deportation would do to families? It’s an unfair punishment.
No, it isn’t. Yet another false equivalence. You are, continuously, comparing illegal immigration to other crimes and demanding that illegal immigration being treated like every other crime. That’s doesn’t work because each crime IS unique and is treated differently.
Because the pathway we had in place is a piece of crap. It needs a wall an some serious reform to work.
They aren’t deserving of special treatment because they are illegal. They are deserving of treatment with dignity by virtue of being human. You’re proposing one extreme, and a dangerous one, to devalue human value by exporting massive numbers of people by force. If it was one person, that would be fine. This is generations, an entire populace in and of itself. It can’t be dismissed and then exported under the law. It has to be treated as a mass issue.
And, the treatment would be “special” if I was suggesting they be given amnesty and rushing them through the process. I’m not. I’m suggesting that we give illegal immigrants a rational alternative while reforming our immigration system and border security, with priority on the people who already are waiting in the immigration system.
If the low is immoral we don’t have the moral obligation to uphold it. That’s part of being American, it’s something treasured under our values and principles.
Although I, as I said repeatedly, don’t support amnesty. I thought you’d be interested in this article I read earlier: http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2016/02/22/amnesty-majority-position-republican-primary-voters/
President Eisenhower had 1 million Mexicans deported back in the early 1950s. It was not at gunpoint. But they were deported.
Sixty years ago, and without the internet to help get the word out about it.
Also, I sincerely doubt that all those people went willingly.
Not sure what your point is.
Is it immoral to send murderers and thieves to prison? Because I doubt they would go willingly either.
That reporting on the situation is much improved from sixty years ago, so the reality of it is much harder to ignore. Especially the reality of forcing people out.
And that a lot of those people likely were forced out at gunpoint, or via another method of coercion.
That’s a false equivalence. Most Illegal immigrants, while lawbreakers under the current law, are nonviolent. Export the murderers with a smile.
Ok, I get it now.
So its only immoral to lock-up non-violent offenders. All of the drug traffickers, burglars, identity thieves, prostitutes, and embezzlers will be so happy to hear that.
Nope, again, a false equivalence. I’m saying that there is a difference between crimes, between something like murder, identity theft, prostitution, and embezzlement, and illegal immigration.
The former set of crimes has moral implications for us if we DON’T prosecute them, the latter has moral implications if we prosecute it via mass deportation.
Quote, “Gunpoint deportation isn’t dignified, or moral.”
Hmmm, Elian Gonzales comes to mind.
Yup. That sums it up.
By the way, I did not say that 12 million people will self-deport. I suggest that if we begin deporting, in the end we will only have to deport, maybe, 6 or 8 million. The remaining 12-14 million will, I expect, put their affairs in order, sell or rent their homes, and return to their country of citizenship, possibly applying for legal re-entry.
By the way, anyone in this situation who is smart would go back to their country of citizenship right now and (if they really want to live in the United States) get in line immediately for legal entry to the U.S. before the remaining 19 million people catch on that America is serious about equality and the rule of law.
Can you imagine how long the ordinary 2-6 year wait for regular entry to the United States will become when we then have 20 million people (plus the current list of legal applicants) on backlog?
So, people now illegally present should consider this and jump out ahead of the rush.
Eh, I’m going to disagree. I think they’ll just hide themselves better, dig-in.
That’s not going to happen, them running out and getting back in line. Hiding and waiting for the storm to pass is more consistent with human behavior.
For example, in the Bible, you can see humans doing the stupid thing repeatedly. I don’t have a lot of respect for the human ability to do what is prudent, only what is in their own self interest.
Especially since, in this case, the sheer difficulty of tracking down all those people would make them 100x more likely to try and wait things out.
Add into that the fact that the Republican House and Senate won’t allow the President to deport millions, they’ll change the laws fast if he tries, and it’s an unlikely scenario.
Well, if that is the case, we must get down to the business of deporting the 20 million. It will be worth the cost and a net savings – plus, we will have reaffirmed our commitment to equality and laws.
If Congress changes the laws to give Amnesty some time along the way, and the President signs the law, then that will be that. But to act now as if that has already happened, and particularly given the fact that such is not the clear will or wish of the American people, is morally wrong.
The point is, when the law says one thing, the President and Congress don’t get to just act as if the law says another. It doesn’t matter if they “wish” it gave amnesty … until the law is changed (which in this case ought not happen), the law is what it is and should be applied to everyone equally.
I guess we’ll just have to go forward, begin large-scale deportations as soon as possible, and see how it plays out.
Nope, won’t happen. As the article I linked to said, Republicans in the most Conservative parts of America say no. If they won’t do it, it’s not happening.
The politicians in Washington certainly won’t do it either. The Conservative base, which is against deportation, is stricter on this issue than our politicians.
The majority of both the Conservative and Moderate wings of the GOP say that mass deportation is a bad idea. They won’t do it, and if somebody ties to do it anyway they won’t allow it.
I am the only ONE not even Trump says go after the employers so ,
SEND ALL BACK.
Consessions should ONLY come after we stop the illegal employer.
This illegal activity cost the legal employer his ” right to the persuit of happiness”.
JAIL time for the scumbag employers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trump employs illegal aliens, so he can’t say that. He’d be painting a bullseye on himself.
You see I am not a nativist in the term as some describe us. i say go after the employers breaking existing State laws that lure them here only to be exploitated as a slave.
Trump says no one is tougher is BS , I am tougher way tougher way more tenacious.
The weak Va. Republicans is why I support Trump , these are not Bush /Obama’s illegals but Virginia’s Unlicensed Contractors and Va. Republicans will continue to obstruct the Employee Misclasssification Task Force and will not write proper Employee Misclassification Legislation.
Joseph , I am on it and have met many D’s and R’s about this. One asked me ; who have you met with?
I gave a list of names ,they then asked who did I detect as honest ? I gave one good name. This person then pulled out one name and said ,
” stay right there you are on it “.
This issue will be here in Virginia well into 2018.
I will be saying then President Trumps illegal aliens are Virginia’s Unlicensed Contractors.
I don’t have another country to exploit , run from or run to.
I am the law abiding American/Virginian employer.
Trump is here to stay and it is the fault of Republicans.
Almost nobody described as a nativist is one. Nativism is “Our native people only, our ethnicity only.” It’s a code-word used by weenies to try and discredit anybody that wants to seal the border and make English the official language of America.
I’m curious, you said that you were involved in construction and contracting right? Have you read Trump’s “Art of the Deal” book yet?
Oh , I laugh at the term, for it is being used in a derogatory manner at me. Yes I am a Builder and not a member of our local builders association for I am a Tradesman Builder/Employer not a ” white collar Builder “. I out perform not outsource. This is why my experience comes out and all I tell you is currently happening with the 1099/employee misclassification.
There are a few more like me here locally , this is why I can say every State Dept. HAS been tested . I know who should and how they are detecting this Example the story I often post; 200 violations issued in lynchburg area 2012, ok. Who else should know ?
1 The VEC should. This same year the local VEC audited many of the same General Contractors that were using these unlicensed contractors yet this auditor wrote off these illegal alien/unlicensed contractors as”bona-fide independent contractors ” WRONG potential Lawsuit right here, The VEC does not regulate Contractors , ONLY DPOR does. Joseph, you would be personally disgusted at the material and methods the VEC is using { pree 9/11}
I have many Inc. returns {22 years now} I know who and why I employ locally and they ain’t all white.
No ,I have not read the Art of the Deal.I won’t buy his books they have no bearing on my life or the way I live it.
I have not contributed , I don’t join “clubs” or Associations or parties they limit your freedom.
I have spent and spend many countless hours of my free time in local youth sports coaching.
I am the free man who answers only to God , my family , my costumers.
Integerity is everything , without it you have actual perversions.
Good, that’s good. Quite frankly, my family has dealt with crooked contractors before, so I’m glad that there are honest men in that field.
And I like your statements about who you answer to, reminds of Colt Ford’s “Answer to No One.” Listen to that and tell me it’s not epic! I can give you the link if you like.
The reason I ask is because Trump had some… advice… for dealing with construction and contracting.
His advice was:
1. Wait until the construction job is nearly complete.
2. If the work is satisfactory, proclaim to the contractor that the work is below standards and threaten a lawsuit.
3. Give them around 80% of the contracted money.
4. Threaten them with litigation if they try and get the rest. Inform them that the suit would cost them more than the 20%.
5. Once they walk away, get somebody to finish the work for next to nothing.
Yes , we have these Slimeball contractors in Lynchburg also. The ” associate ” together, get it ?
I bet at DeSteph’s Tidewaters Builders Association they do not have a code of ethics that demand removal of members not adhering to Va. Contractor Law.
Contractors golf and drink. Try to screw me over and you will be in a accident while you were drinking, that is just the start.
Vengence is mine says the Lord, like I say I will answer to him , not turn the other cheek.
You say deSteph must be primaried, good!
I say Fighter pilot Beltoe can do more for me and my cause.
Yup, they unionize and form a wall of sleaze to keep out anybody who tries to stop them.
One of the contractors who swindled part of my family actually got hired by a university as part of their full-time staff.
Excellent, I’m glad you found somebody to replace DeSteph, he sounded terrible.
“Turn the other cheek” is part of the New Covenant, that means it supersedes “An eye for an eye.”
Besides, as Steven Crowder pointed out, turning the other cheek when somebody hits you is actually a sign of defiance.
I always say, strike at me, I’ll forgive you. Strike at my family, I’ll strike back.
Say, do you want that music video?
And did you know that about Trump?
I did not find someone to replace DeSteph. Dave Belote is the Va Beach Democrat chair . I figure that if Republicans will and do allow this kind of embarra$$ment to use this seat for self serving endevours , then the opposing Dem’s must know. The local TEA Party must purge , the Dem’s will be coming heavely armed with the facts.
Joseph , Do you understand Employee Misclassification ?
I my quick response on retaliation of not being paid was not worded properly.
Jerry Sr. said about Flint ; ” I had to sue him he is in a wheelchair , I would have rather have taken him out back of the barn “.
Yes, post the link to Colts song I am sure it is good.
Now as for Contractors , stay away from any Builders Association.
Home Builder Associations are NOT tradesman , they are white collar builders { corporate } ck any website , illegal labor brokers, no nail bag no employes and they don’t even know what 6 ,8 10 is { 90 angle } , they don’t have employes , they don’t have VEC accounts { so as to skirt audits under the VECA }.
Builder Ass. members are Realtors , Lumberstores , Insurance , investments it is a scam portrayed to the public they are the biggest posers next to politicians. Always search donors of Reps. many in Va. are already bought and paid for.
There is another just like DeSteph in our GA , Manoli Loupassi.
This waste of skin brought for a Mechinic’s Lien Bill a couple of year back allowing Unlicensed Contractors to file a Mechanic’s lien , yes, we could have given MS-13 gang members the lawful right to file a lien against a homeowner.
Obama’s illegal aliens are Virginia’s unlicensed contractors and Members of local home Buildewrs Associations use this labor to profiteer and Virginia looses in the General Fund and so much more.
Cuccinelli and McDonnell were awful on this for Virginia , they knew they knew they knew. Now Va Republicans want me to support Gilespie , don’t think so.
Is there a Republican who is a working man?
Ahh, rats and okay then. That makes sense. I was hoping DeSteph was going get kicked to the curb in a primary.
Tea Party purges can go well or really badly. No matter how correct the Tea Party is in the matter, purging their ranks or the ranks of the Republican party, some Establishment folks will support the other side screaming about how the Tea Party is too Conservative.
I understand a bit about Employee Misclassification, but if you think there is something I should know about, hit me.
Hmmm, that makes sense. About retaliation.
Although, I’m still wonder as to your position on the issue of Trump’s… unique… business tactics.
Certainly, here’s the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esnSbBuf9f4
Yea , to hell with anyone who doesn’t believe in the USA.
Yes I know of that about Trump.
I am hoping he uses his outlook for America , he has everything but a mark in History , I think that is what the walking ego is up too.
Joseph , Sorry not to respond .I am in full swing with baseball now.
1 Do you do know JLARC 427 {employee misclassification} cost Va.’s General fund 28 Million a year?
2 We all know that DeSteph an Loupassi give credibility to Va’s large Unlicensed contractor / illegal alien issue.
3 Now the 2011 JLARC State Contracting and the Federal Immigration and Control Act { attempted Abduction at Va Tech June 2012}
Is Republican Conservatism always cutting Goverment Spending or at times when elected running the ship efficently?
DPOR ran 2.9 Million surplus in the year 2012 yet had no prosecutions.
VOSHA/DOLI Policy change July,01 2016 Notification of Licensed Contractors using unlicensed contractors to DPOR for Investegation { Great Policy Change by AFLCIO Lobbyist }.
Who is the Republican that has the knowledge and foritude to help in proper employee misclassification legislation , or are Va. Republicans surrendering to the Va. AFLCIO who is combatting these issues today?
It isn’t 12 million people. They have been lying about that figure for decades. Probably 20 million. Or more. Obama has done zero to enforce immigration laws and he instituted a new W Bush style catch and release program. He isn’t even deporting serious criminals…. they are baby daddies and have dreams too you know.
Don’t have the resources to deport 12 million? Do you have the resources to continue open borders? Fairfax County is one of the places where Obama’s open border children march is coming. FCPS is hopelessly in the red. Every new Dreamer cost 11,000 to educate not including special services such as ESL or special ed. Medicaid, WIC, Section 8 housing assistance… You have the resources for that?
Imagine if the tax laws were enforced like immigration? Who would pay their taxes? Does the IRS care about ruining you by the way? Nope. Immigrants have abused the system so badly with the aiding and abetting of the two major political parties, that it is too bad now that they have to go home. But that is the way it works.
So the numbers a greater than I thought? That makes it even less likely that mass deportation will occur.
Do I? No. Does the country? Yes. The issue is the amount of waste, cut the waste, checking on the fertility of lobsters and tests such as that(I’m not making that up) and we actually have money. The issue is the Democrats have turned the government in a lottery that pays out massive amounts of money for meaningless things.
We are actually taking in a tremendous amount of money. Cut the waste out of the system and remove Obamacare and we’d have enough to take pay for the system.
And finally, and very importantly, not ever immigrant is going to get a bunch of assistance. Assistance varies.
If we have records of who and where they are, which would be needed as part of a reform of the system, we could collect taxes so that the illegals would be contributing to paying their own expenses.
So, the IRS doesn’t care about me so I shouldn’t care about others? Sorry, I’m not going to live that bitterly.
They won’t be mass deported, read this: http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2016/02/22/amnesty-majority-position-republican-primary-voters/
I don’t approve of amnesty, but it appears that mass deportation is loved even less by Republicans in the deep south. If the heart of Republicanism in the US won’t approve it, it won’t be done.
No will to do it because it’s immoral. That’s what it comes down to.
Look at him , and they want me to take him seriously.
Give me a cop , Marine , Fireman
not a polished trailer hitch for the trailer of Corporate scum loving Republicans.