After the Virginia Tech shooting, I called the Virginia Attorney’s Office and discussed with him how passive reactive defenses don’t work well if at all. Lockout, lockdown and hide as well as “Gun Free Zone” signs mean that defenseless human targets are concentrated in a specific location. From my perspective, a defense involving active countermeasures is the only practical and effective means of dealing with situations that take place in seconds and last a few minutes. Here were a few of the ideas I mentioned:
What about low cost perimeter defenses? Elderly or infirmed individuals can and do equip themselves with Life Alert call buttons which can be activated to instantaneously relay a distress message to a central clearinghouse. Families with infants often install remote activated cameras to observe the behavior of a nanny or delivery person. Homeowners are increasingly using wireless technology that selectively allows for various lights, electronics, doors and alarms to be activated or de-activated upon command. These low cost devices could provide robust perimeter warnings, alerts and even non-lethal counterattacks. (However, such devices require regular maintenance, replacement as needed, and testing and monitoring to make sure everything is working as intended.)
What about security, safety and defense technologies? Non-lethal weapons such as pepper spray and tasers are commercially available. The Department of Defense has developed a wide variety of non-lethal personal and crowd control weapons technologies. Flash-bang grenades can temporarily blind and stun an intruder. Acoustic, microwave, and laser weapons can cause pain, disrupt physical functions, and instantly confuse. Non-lethal technologies can be employed both inside and outside schools to protect defenseless children and school employees. (If someone mistakenly uses them in a panic, nobody is likely to be killed, but someone bent on violence just might be stopped or delayed from fully acting upon their evil intentions.)
What about expanding the size of the patrol force? Armed and permanent security guards are a deterrent to violence, but the cost is often prohibitively high. However, it is possible to have a random and unpredictable police presence. It is also possible to have retiree and parental watch groups as is the case with one group of “Dad’s on Duty” in Louisiana. A combination of police and interested community citizen watches would cause uncertainty in the mind of a potential criminal or psychopath. Reservists and on-duty military, both male and female, are trained to handle lethal and non-lethal weapons. Some of these individuals could be certified and used on a volunteer basis to police school grounds. (All of these individuals must be trained and armed to some extent. Unarmed security guards quickly become yet another target as was the recent case in the Bridgewater College killings.)
Why not actually teach students to defend themselves? Instead of students trying to run or hide under a desk in hopes of escaping, why not have students throw computers, cellphones, desks, books, briefcases, and anything with a little heft in the direction of a shooter. Many will say the shootings happen so fast and with such ferocity that there is really no time to do anything. Well, in some schools around the country, middle school kids are being taught to throw whatever they have at an intruder, and then rush the potential murderer to knock him down and overwhelm him. There are both self and collective defensive actions to minimize the results of murderous violence.
Why not actually allow concealed carry for students and faculty? The hired police security folks in and around campus could certify individuals to conceal carry. They could require weapons training before certification. A student or faculty member who carries a gun and is certified should be given the freedom to go anywhere on campus as if they were members of an armed police auxiliary. An individual who violates the certification could have their permit rescinded. Short of this type of action, individual students are going to make their own decisions about their own personal safety, and that includes the purchase of a gun and illegal concealment.
Why not reconstruct classrooms, furnishings and individual student items to aid in self-defense and protection? With all of the advances in technology there ought to be some relatively cheap and simple things that could be done to aid an individual in their own defense in the case of potential or actual classroom violence. Could a bulletproof door be built or an enhanced desktop that could be flipped up and even torn away to be used as a shield? How about a bullet deflecting briefcase or notebook? Instead of relying on high technology cameras and other recording devices to show the aftermath of a massacre, what about low technology, simple to use, and reasonably inexpensive items that can be tactically placed to reduce the impact of a violent act?
Why rely on incident notification and lockdown? This is a passive process. In the Virginia Tech massacre, an incident notification could have been misleading to students elsewhere on the campus. And what happens when an individual gets such a notification? What are they to do? Just stand there and hope – or run someplace? Isn’t it likely that some students will panic rather than act in a cool and detached manner? (Broad, non-specific notification can and will lead to uncertainty and panic.)
Why rely just on laws and regulations? Our legislators don’t really know what to do so they pass a law to tighten access to guns that might be bought by unknown and potentially unstable individual – except every American, honest or not, is affected by such law. Not only is this locking the barn door after the horse is gone, but it would have had no apparent impact on any of the recent shooting situations. If the legislators really want to do something useful, they could undo some of the privacy and control laws that block access to much needed self- protection information and weapons. (By the way, the largest school mass murder occurred about 100 years ago. It was committed by a disgruntled man who used a bomb to blow up the school. Currently in Sweden, war zone grenades and bombs, as well as guns, are being used by immigrant gangs.)
Why ignore the expressed intentions of a potential murderer? There have been a number of school shootings in which the outcome was potentially predictable. Some of the indicators of this potential include: The use of drugs for the treatment of mental issues. A number of these drugs have been known to cause psychotic episodes leading to violence. The constant isolation and heavy use of social media, particularly that which glorifies and advances extreme perversion and viciousness. The sensationalizing and immoral aspects of purposeless violence in the entertainment media. Many mass murderers now broadcast their intentions ahead of time. (The law seldom allows for arrest based on intentions – although Red Flag laws are a questionable step in that direction. I don’t suggest new laws to incarcerate potentially violent people but this may be where social workers can actually help solve a potentially serious problem. However, I caution that an unarmed social worker is no match for a violent psychotic.) Lastly, in a macabre display of self-aggrandizement, some mass murderers are resorting to real time broadcasting of their ongoing mass murder. No law will stop this horror but an armed citizen can -and they have done so.
Throughout American history, individuals have had to defend themselves against the worst of society. Turning over one’s security to the authorities evolved with the rise of professional police forces. Unfortunately, the authorities cannot be everywhere all the time, and some groups want to defund and even eliminate the police under the assumption that actual evil doesn’t exist and everyone can be reasoned with or coaxed into non-violence. In addition, with the current economic conditions, police response times are longer and their presence less reliable. Essentially, defense must start inside a school and with individuals capable of defending themselves. Waiting for help is deadly.
Can we stop the killings? No! If a crazy or a terrorist wants to kill he can get a gun or a variety of lethal weapons. He can get them legally – or on the street, in a bar, or from a criminal source. However, we can certainly think in terms of minimizing the damage of his or her violent act. At this point, more proposed regulatory solutions are just more band-aids to cover over actual solutions to a real problem. (Frankly, it is about time to look for any and all solutions no matter how tough or politically incorrect they might be.)
Note: Recently, the National Science Teaching Association (NSTA) held a seminar called “Queer Your Classroom: Supporting LGBTQIA+ Students”. How about a seminar called “Save your Classroom. Science supporting all students.” And these are science teachers?!!!!!
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“Why not actually allow concealed carry for students and faculty? ” Jesus Christ…………yesterday they were commies with a nationwide secret network of groomers who can’t be trusted to choose books. I do NOT want my WIFE carrying a goddamn gun to WORK!!!!
I wouldn’t want anyone who is uncomfortable carrying but I would want every teacher to have basic firearms training and be able to use a gun in the event they have to because there is no other choice. And, by the way, we used to have ROTC in schools so there was a sizable cadre of gun trained students. You democrats worked quite diligently to get rid of ROTC.
Teachers already have the ability to arm themselves and protect the school in Texas. Unless you want to impose a requirement on teachers to carry guns, it is obviously not effective.
That is untrue. There are schools that advertise their teachers are armed and will shoot to kill. In addition, part of the problem which you democrats created is uvalde is a hub of illegal immigration and crime. The police are overwhelmed thanks to BIDENITE immigration policies/failures and schools have to take care of themselves because the police presence is stretched to the breaking point. Even the SROs are often out of the schools helping in other areas of the community – apparently the case here. I don’t know why you are concerned. You are pro-abortion and pro-euthanasia.
you’re full of shit. SROs do not stop killings
The shooter was confronted by armed officers and they failed to stop him. They were there and failed. Good guys with guns never stop these mass shooters…. we need to rid ourselves of these weapons… stop killing our kids!!
bull SHIT……..the goddamn cops can’t prevent the massacres………..good guys do NOT stop bad guys…….they DON’T
Ah, the democrat talking point. However, you apparently don’t see the contradiction. If good guys don’t stop bad guys, than who does. Obviously the armed citizen.
You don’t think they have armed citizens in Texas…??? Why didn’t they stop him?! I’ll tell you why… because they only exist as a right wing fantasy.
” Obviously the armed citizen.” Try again……….that rarely happens
“After the Virginia Tech shooting I called . . .”
Sure you did. Keep telling yourself that.
You are an optometrist, NOT an ophthalmologist . Stick to prescribing over-priced eyewear to little old ladies.
And you can stick to wearing women”s underwear and hanging around in bars.
Just another leftist idiot with nothing to offer of value. There are a lot of those who come to this site because they know we have good ideas and they have none.
Put the skirt away, Edgar, or at least come out of the closet…
“And you can stick to wearing women”s underwear and hanging around in bars.” you keep revealing your fantasies……….
I know, let’s pass another law. What will it be this time? Oh, I know something called red flag. Just a cutesy name for something that already exists. Let’s not really do something as is proposed above because something might actually work. And if it works, democrats can’t take political advantage of dead and injured kids. By the way, nothing can help because you are blind.
the daily mail has just reported that it took law enforcement an hour to get into the school classroom to confront mass murderer ramos. apparently, and unbelievably, they had to get a teacher to open the locked classroom door. what the hell – ram the outside wall with a truck and shoot out the windows. this is why good guys and gals pre-positioned inside to respond are essential. and yes, i mean teachers, administrators, as well as paid security.
It is even worse. SWAT Team member called into classroom to see about situation. Young girl responded and was immediately shot dead – unimaginably stupid by SWAT. But it continues to get even worse as terror stricken parents were kept from storming school by police using force. Hey you leftist idiots, how are you going to explain this? So if I give up my 2nd amendment rights everything will be better because the government cares and will protect me. You should be ashamed.
You know these are Texas (as in the reddest state in the US) cops, right…. These are the good guys with the guns that you say we should put our faith in. The good guys with the guns NEVER stop these mass shootings. They are false hope. Get rid of the guns like every other civilized country in the world. You right wingers are killing our kids!!
And it continues to get worse. Woman rescues own children after freeing herself from handcuffs put on her by police.
These incidents are indicative of a society that is falling apart. In the 1970s I went to a rural high school. The parking lot was an arsenal. Every truck had a gun rack… and it contained rifles, shotguns, high calibre revolvers. No one ever thought to shoot up the school.
You northern VA liberals living in the beautiful land of massive federal spending in your 750 k and higher price gated communities have NO idea what the real world of the great unwashed has become. You sit and pontificate in your boomer wealth… The urban areas are states of nature… the schools are sh.tshows. Even in rural areas.. society has broken down. The shootings are just one part of the rot that you boomers have left posterity… Teachers across the country have no control over students anymore… are not backed up by society… and then the porno/trans weirdo/ etc society that doesn’t teach values anymore… yes no religion too… is creating a society of the future that is just not tenable.
But hey Erica And Johnny and that other guy here… enjoy your wealth!!! Hopefully you will die before things get really bad…. that will happen of course when the government debt becomes so large that it cannot afford the welfare state that barely holds this thing together.
By media accounts, this assailant encountered armed security guards as he entered the school (actually trained good guys with guns). They could not bring him down. Maybe howitzers…??
Your approach has been disarm the public and pass more laws against self defense. Since those don’t work well, the point of the article is do something different. As you personally demonstrate, doing more of the same and expecting a different result is stupid at best and otherwise insane.
Again, Doc, good guys with guns failed to bring this guy down before he could kill 19 children. This is Texas, not California. Plenty of people open carry. No deterrence and ineffective defense. Yes, doing more of the same is insane. Let’s try taking these AR-15 type weapons and body armor out of circulation. Give the good guys with guns a chance for once.
Yeah, let’s be slaves to government. You might want to take a good look at how countries that have a basically disarmed citizenry have subjected their people to draconian controls and punishments associated with COVID.
Nothing draconian about ridding ourselves of these mass killing weapons. Just common sense.
Hey. Just yesterday a good gal with a gun took out a crazed man who was shooting at people at a graduation party. Good gal with gun stops mass massacre.
You went from strobe lights to throwing books to arming students……very few law enforcement professionals advocate having more untrained (and yes, minimally trained is as bad or worse than untrained) people running around w guns during an incident.
You pose the question: “Can we stop the killings?” The question should be: “Can always ensure a complete 100% safe society” No.
But what we can do is look at other societies that have somehow, some way, managed to not have nearly the preponderance of gun violence and maybe, just maybe put away our arrogance and obtuse thinking and actually follow their lead.
I know I know, listening and learning is a sign of weakness around here. God forbid.
You mean make guns illegal? Please go to the trouble of amending the Constitution. At least do that. And if you want abortion on a federal level do the same. At least you would have followed what is left of the framework which is supposed to guide what is left of this polyglot boarding house of a country of grifting politicians, interest groups, and of course the corporations that own them.
Did I say make guns illegal? No, no I didn’t. Did I imply or even hint at saying make guns illegal? No, absolutely not.
And there’s the initial problem in a nutshell. You can’t even discuss the solution to the problem without some dumbass, yes you, coming out of left field with stupid shit.
Go ahead and say it: you know what I really, REALLY meant more than I.
OK dumbass.. Do tell what is the solution that other countries have? Boy what is it????? They ban most categories of fire arms. You might be able to own a single shot .22 or perhaps a double barrel shotgun. You cannot own semi auto anything. Perhaps do some research before you post your stupid comments… Gee why doesn’t China not have mass gun murders??? What could it be??? Because it is a communist country where the government has an absolute monopoly on firearms…
So… banning fire arms does work… it would stop school shootings most likely unless firearms are just another illegal product sold en masse here like drugs. Not too hard to get meth or fentanyl is it?
So… tell us… what other than banning fire arms do other countries do…? What can we study???? We are waiting for you great answer!!!
Ok, I’ll give it a shot if you lose the added punctuation, schoolgirl shrieking and can carry on a normal person discussion.
There’s a difference between banning guns and common sense gun restrictions. When it takes more paperwork to adopt a puppy than it does to purchase a weapon, something is skewed. I know, big brother is watching and gonna get ya. Guess what, big brother already has you.
Gun owner training: start w mandatory training. Texas allows open carry w zero training.
Gun owner responsibility: enforce the laws that are already on the books. You want to be a dumbass w a gun, lose your gun
Other than weapons taken from family members, how many mass shootings (mass shootings, stay on topic here) have utilized stolen weapons? Hint: I already know the answer.
And China is systematically committing genocide against Uighur Muslims. The trolls who post here think that they will remain free under a totalitarian government. That is how stupid and insane they are
GJ not discussing any of the topics I offered, per your request I might add.
Watch this, I’ll actually reply to what you wrote. It’s a novel concept. You should try it. As much as you and “the militia” may like to run around and play grabass on the weekend you and your 6 shooter, or AR, aren’t holding off the all that stands between us and a totalitarian government. Red states don’t mind the big, bad gub’ment when they are handing out free cheese though.
And for the record, I also went to school when everybody had gun racks in their truck. Hell, made them in shop class. Guess what, times change.
Apparently per your buddy Warmac, if you can’t have an AR, you are completely disarmed and defenseless. God forbid you run into a rabid Bambi without your AR. If you’re that damn scared just stay inside.
You are overly focused on one type of gun. The reality is you want to eliminate the right of self defense against enemies foreign and domestic. Thus, your focus is really on all,guns.
Bc you and your fat buddies running around the park on the weekend are all that between us and “enemies foreign and domestic”. No inflated sense of self importance there. Hell, your ilk can’t even drive around DC without pissing all over themselves.
News flash, we’re discussing guns and the control (not banning) thereof. Don’t worry, we can discuss mitigating the scourge of machete attacks later.
As old as “Dr” Warmac is, he ain’t running around the woods playing war anymore. Alas, in his mind this is his (and his various personas’) battleground.
Maybe you should actually look at violence in other societies. It is shocking that mass murder and even genocide still regularly happen around the world. Sweden , New Zealand, and Russia have had horrific incidents of mass murder and nobody was able to stop it because the people were unarmed. France had mass murder by truck. Rwanda had genocide by machete. South African whites are being systematically eliminated by racist blacks. China is systematically eliminating Uighur Muslims.
So because there have been very rare mass shootings in other countries, that means they are fine and dandy here.
Meanwhile Republicons want to turn schools into maximum security prison but guns are not allowed at the NRA convention because armed audiences are too dangerous for Wayne LaPierre.
GFY.
You really don’t know the statistics do you so you simply blabber on. To show your ignorance you attack the NRA. Well here is a clue for you – go to a gun show. You might learn something about gun safety and survival.
I just looked at the very worse incidents of school violence around the world. The USA first appears in the number 8 slot.
The United States averaged just over 87 school shootings each year from 2013 to 2021, resulting in an annual average of 28.4 dead and 59.6 wounded. The country with the second-most school shootings during that period, Mexico, experienced only eight shootings during that same time period.
Eric: please don’t use numbers. You don’t know what they mean.
Doc, I know they mean you right wingers are killing our kids. This must end!
I find it interesting that the left always says the right is doing these killings – pure alinski blame shifting strategy. Truth is that almost every one of these killers have a left wing philosophy which they put in writing. The Buffalo shooter is most recent example. I suspect ramos social media account will expose his anti-American left wing tendencies although he strikes me as an evil SOB regardless of politics. Of course, the media will cover it up
GRT is a right wing philosophy, Doc. Stop gaslighting.
“because the people were unarmed” had nothing to do with it
Ever hear of ROTC? I suspect you haven’t because you lefties have systematically banned it from schools and colleges. Well, here is but another result of your folly. As far as technology of self protection is concerned, you might want to go to a gun show – lots of non-gun defense and personal survival items on sale.