A big decision is in front of the RPV State Central Committee on Saturday. My colleagues should make their decisions on the basis of actual facts, not wild conjecture.[read_more]
A lot of passions flare about the primary vs. convention issue and, unfortunately, many of the most passionate are severely misinformed.
As a member of the State Central Committee that will be deciding this issue on Saturday, I am being inundated with emails and phone calls from all sides. Below I address some of the most common myths being circulated about this issue:
Myth #1: “We shouldn’t have a Convention in a Presidential year! That would be a disaster!” Regardless of how the State Committee votes this weekend, Virginia Republicans will have district conventions and a state convention next year to elect delegates to the National Convention.  Yes, you read that correctly.  Our rules require us to elect delegates via the Convention process.  What is at issue is how or whether to bind the votes of those delegates at the National Convention (whether by a state-run open primary, or by a Republicans-only Convention process). Myth Busted.
Myth #2: “We can’t let those crazies at RPV switch from a Primary to a Convention!”  Folks, using a Convention to bind our delegates to the National Convention is nothing new, and adopting a convention for 2016, instead of a presidential primary, is not “switching” to a convention. Since 2000, the Party has had the choice every four years about what method is used to bind our delegates. We’ve made the choice for a primary in only 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2012. EVERY prior presidential election year we bound our delegates via a Convention.  The only difference between the proposed 2016 Convention and what happened over the vast majority of our history is that the proposal is to move the Convention up on the calendar to have a greater impact.  That’s literally the only difference.
So, not only is adopting a convention not “changing the rules in the middle of the game,” as some have suggested, it is also not anything new, dangerous, mysterious, novel, revolutionary, untested or any of the scary things convention opponents say it is.  In fact, a presidential primary where Democrats and other non-Republicans can easily participate is the anomaly over the Commonwealth’s history, and having had it foisted on us by the self-interested lobbyists and consultants who used to run our Party has proven extraordinarily divisive. Myth Busted.
Myth #3: “Having a Convention would ‘tear our party apart.'” Unless you’re into making self-fulfilling prophecies, this is nonsense. We have contested votes, then we move on and advance the Party the best ways we can. If the vote doesn’t go my way, that’s fine…I’ll do my best to help our Party fundraise and reach our activist base without the most obvious tool to do so, and will try again next time. However, some opponents of Conventions disagree with that kind of unifying approach, and are essentially threatening to burn the house down if they don’t get their way. (Sense a pattern?) The way I see it, the torch is in their hands, not the hands of people backing Conventions. Myth Busted.
Myth #4: “If we have a Primary that means I get to vote for President without having to go to any meetings.” Contrary to widespread perceptions, just because it is called a primary doesn’t mean that Virginians’ votes are tallied against votes in other states to determine the party’s nominee. In reality, we don’t vote for president (and fully bound electors) until November 2016. Until then, ALL of the processes here and in other states are about electing and binding delegates to the Republican National Convention to be held in Cleveland next summer. In other words, we’re going through a process of electing representatives to carry our preferences to a representative body. And, unlike any other election in recent memory, next year’s National Convention may actually matter, as we have a strong field of candidates who could conceivably deny any single candidate an outright majority by the time of our National Convention. In other words, who gets elected as your delegate actually means something, as it is their judgments and preferences that may decide the outcome. Myth Busted.
Myth #5: “A Convention would disenfranchise me!” First, let’s get past the idea that Conventions are somehow illegitimate because not every single Republican can attend.  It is a representative body that is no more undemocratic or disenfranchising than electing representatives to the General Assembly, or sending only 49 delegates to the RNC (instead of the hundreds of thousands of voters who might participate in a primary). Am I disenfranchised when the National Convention takes votes without allowing me to participate?  No, and it would be preposterous to suggest otherwise so long as I had the opportunity to vote for those representing me.  The same principle applies to district and state conventions.
Second, everybody from all over the state can participate locally in electing those delegates by attending local mass meetings (called caucuses in Iowa and elsewhere). Â When people talk about “just” 14,000 people potentially choosing how our delegation will be bound, they are leaving out the tens of thousands (or more) people who elected those 14,000 delegates. Â So all the tropes about the burdens of participating in a convention and packing suitcases and trekking across the state, blah blah blah, in order to participate are either ignorant bloviations, or purposefully dishonest deceptions.
Moreover, if you want to talk about having your vote count, let’s talk about how in a primary with perhaps as many as 8-12 candidates on the ballot, a candidate with a plurality of, say, 19% of the vote could win, leaving meaningless chunks of delegate votes split among all the other candidates. A Convention, by contrast, can use an instant runoff voting system to ensure a consensus candidate emerges, one who could gain the backing of over 50% of the voting delegates. Myth Busted.
Myth #6: “A Convention would mean financial ruin! The Party loses money on Conventions!”  Ahh…where do we begin on this particular pearl of misinformation? First, Conventions don’t lose money. In fact, they have historically been the Party’s largest fundraising tool. We’ve made money on almost all Conventions, including the disaster that was 2013. Only in 2009, just after the RPV Chairman was ejected and control of the Convention was handed over to the McDonnell campaign, did a statewide convention lose money. And that was only temporary, as McDonnell later gave enough to RPV for a break-even. McDonnell essentially gold plated that Convention, and spent in the neighborhood of $125K of the Party’s money just on audio/visual stuff and stage decorations! Compare that to about $23K spent for similar functions at the 2014 Convention and you get a sense for how outlandish that was.
Second, between presidential candidate filing fees, voluntary delegate filing fees, and the host of other fundraising opportunities available at a Convention (suites, dinners, sponsorships, etc.) RPV would raise not only more than enough to ensure smooth operation of the State Convention, but also enough to lend significant logistical and training support to local Party units for their delegate elections. Even after that, RPV would be on a firmer financial footing than we’ve been on in a decade, just in time to help win Virginia for our nominee next year. Myth Busted.
Myth #7: “The only people pushing for a Convention are those Tea Partiers and libertarians who have infiltrated the GOP!!”  Ugh. First, contrary to what you might think by reading news accounts from journalists either too lazy to report accurately or too invested in a false narrative, not everybody to the right of Mitch McConnell or Eric Cantor is a tea partier. In fact, most of us are just Republicans, and have been for a long, long time. It’s not exactly a new thing in the GOP to oppose excessive taxing and spending.
Second, in the fevered imaginations of some older elements of the GOP, the State Central Committee has been taken over by a cabal of Paulbots intent on destroying the Party, and that the push for a Convention next year is all because it is perceived Rand Paul will outperform in that setting. Nothing could be further from the truth. Although it is likely true that Paul would do better in a Convention than in a Primary, most (probably the vast majority) of pro-Convention conservatives on the Committee clearly prefer other candidates, including most prominently Walker, Rubio, and Cruz. Just this past weekend I hosted an event for Carly Fiorina (while still sporting a 2012 Romney sticker on my car). So, not only is the pro-Convention crowd not a bunch of space aliens bent on world domination, we’re actually pretty representative of the people who elected us. Huh…imagine that. Myth Busted.
Myth #8: “The timing of the Convention is impossible.” Some are complaining that moving the State Convention up on the calendar to the middle of March presents a scheduling impossibility for local units to hold their mass meetings (or conventions/canvasses) to elect delegates in time. Respectfully, this is bunk. The RPV call goes out in December. Unit calls then go out in early January for processes to be completed by the end of February, with district and state processes the next month. Certainly, this is compressed compared to normal, but it is still more than enough time (even in jurisdictions that use a local Convention to elect delegates) to plan and execute. You’ve got 5 months notice, for goodness sake. Myth Busted.
Myth #9: “Too many people will show up at my mass meeting!” OK, it may be true that we’ll have a lot of people showing up to participate. Last time I checked, though, having more people actively engaged enough to show up at a GOP function was a good thing. It will place a premium on planning and securing appropriate venues. Under the proposed Convention plan, RPV will provide significant help in this regard so that local units are not caught off guard or ill-prepared for what could be record-breaking attendance. Still, the large numbers will be a challenge we’re going to have to deal with. Myth Plausible.
I will keep this updated as more myths roll in.
UPDATE 1: Myth #10: “A primary is the only way we’ll get the data necessary to win!” I’m sympathetic to this argument, as I know RPV/RNC data has a long way to go to match what’s available to the Democrats. But if we’re relying on a low-turnout event like a March primary to solve our data woes, we’re going to be sorely disappointed. Why? Because we’ll have perhaps what, 400,000 people vote? 500,000500,000 people vote? 700,000? That’s compared with the well over 3 over 2 million votes that will required to win Virginia in November. While I concede these data would be pretty valuable for that, I think the people likeliest to vote in a presidential primary are by and large the same people who are already reliably captured by our data, and that the marginal gain doesn’t necessarily exceed the data benefits of a Convention (i.e., central collection, for the first time ever, of all delegate information and of the extensive data on the tens of thousands of people who will attend local mass meetings…a complete census of our GOP activist base). Still, this isn’t an invalid argument. Myth Busted. Myth Somewhat Plausible. [NB: Thanks to one of the best readers and critical commenters, Patrick Murphy, for challenging me on this. I stand corrected.]
62 comments
Steve:
“Myths” 1-5 and 7-10 are your opinions and you’re welcome to them. “Myth 6” delves into the mathematical reality of finance. So you need to cite your sources such as financial reports with real empirical figures that show conventions turn a profit. My experience when I served on SCC as YR chairman is that most conventions , on a good day, with registration fees and large contributions pretty much break even. On a bad day they lose a little. Obviously the 2013 convention wasn’t the platinum mine you claim as RPV didn’t have $200 to its name several months later.
As for being a myth buster, if memory serves didn’t you think Susan Stimpson would beat Bill Howell?
There is a point in Maryland law where your party registration is frozen before an election. I don’t remember of it was thirty days or longer. But that is plenty of time to decide your registration prior to a primary.
My question is just because it is Virginia law presently why can’t we change it to suit the party’s needs. Unless the law came from God, we have the power to change it. Lets make it a closed primary, paid for by the party, where the party decides who can participate based on an accurate membership accounting. Easy peezy. BTW: the winner must win by a majority.
I do agree with you about the incumbent protection act. It is just another cog in the gears of politicians being unaccountable to the electorate.
I’m glad the erudite Steve Albertson is on SCC. From this post and his many others, it is obvious that he clearly has a firm understanding across a range of tactical, strategic, and general policy issues.
Steve, while I have doubts about your arguments in #6 and #8 (along with qualms over #4), I’m a lot more concerned about an issue you didn’t address: A primary does more to help us win in November.
Our party desperately needs the data only a primary can generate. Expecting a highly competitive contest, a primary would identify 500,000+ Republican voters across the commonwealth instantly. That’s a full quarter of the votes we need to turnout in November, giving us an invaluable head start on our efforts. It also generates an incredibly important data layer for targeting the other 1.5M voters we need, generating better insights into our target audience and refining our voter contact universe.
To be honest, I don’t particularly care about the annual debate over conventions and primaries. There are quantified, measurable, reasonable advantages and disadvantages with both methods.
However, I do care deeply about electing a Republican president. In Virginia, we already have enough obstacles to making that happen — our data disadvantage being a substantial one. I understand and sympathize with convention proponents, but we simply must get this data.
Patrick, After what you did to Howie, i can’t believe you think you have any political credibility left, but, of course, narcissists never really see themselves for what they are.
As to your point about the great data, I say poppycock. Just as in the local primary here in Fauquier where no Democrats ran, there will be so many Democrats voting in a Republican Primary (Hillary is already the annointed Dem candidate) it would take years to clean up the useless voter data collected. At least with a convention we will know the names of the real activists willing to dedicate themselves to get involved.
What did he do to Howie, besides tell a losing candidate that he was going to lose and leave the campaign when the campaign ended?
And your point about data is incredibly off-base. First, not “so many” Democrats would be voting; second, primary voting history is still useful. If you don’t know how to use the data, I would recommend that no one hires you to help them on a campaign, and instead hires someone who knows what they’re talking about.
I support a primary, but this data argument is ridiculous. We don’t need the voter data. Voter data is irrelevant now except as the final check to make sure someone can actually vote. Its all about just the data. That one “1” in the RPP2016 field is far less valuable than the 100+ fields you can get from any data appending service. We can use predictive algorithms to figure out who the Republicans are in less time than waiting for primary data to be available 6 months after the election. You all act like SBE is just going to release a CD to the campaigns within a week and that has never happened in any VA election to my knowledge
You’re absolutely right about being able to use a plethora of additional data points to identify whether or not someone is inclined to vote Republican. However, none of those data points can indicate turnout propensity. That’s the truly invaluable information we need — who did, and as importantly didn’t, turnout to vote.
Oh yes those data points can definitely figure out propensity to vote. You can work backward to associate other characteristics to voting propensity based on past performance and then use that to create an extremely accurate model without ever having a voter file to work from. Even if they couldn’t, you don’t need primary voting history to determine General Election propensity. And even if you did, I’m just not seeing SBE release the data from the primary before all the voter targeting for the general gets locked in by the campaigns. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong about SBE’s turnaround time because they have come a long way with technology in the past 5 years.
While that’s one way to do it, I’ve always prefered concrete data over predictions from data modeling whenever possible. If I don’t have to guess about propensity, I have a lot more ability to predict and test my assumptions on other important factors. Then again, I’ve always run larger than usual voter ID and GOTV programs, so I test a lot more than most campaigns.
As for using primary turnout for general election purposes, it’s a lot more useful than you’re making it out to be. Especially when you’re able to compare a lot of cycles over a short amount of time, which you can in Virginia.
Neither of us are really wrong, there are a lot of different “right” ways to do this.
Also, website says there’s a delay for data in some Richmond precincts for the Democrat primary and won’t be available until July 20th. Since there’s no mention of other delays from the June 9th primary, I’d guess it’s probably available now.
I would agree with you in every case except a Presidential or well funded Senate campaign. Those people don’t use voter lists. They write 6 figure checks to data analytic firms that suck in data from places you didn’t even know existed and can plug any holes from a lack of data from one election like they were never even there. For those of us that don’t have million dollar data budgets, the primary data is priceless, for a Presidential campaign its not worth fighting over.
Finally on the same page. While presidential campaigns probably don’t need the data, RPV desperately needs this data if we’re going to help the Republican presidential nominee carry Virginia. Unless 2016 is different than past presidential cycles, RPV isn’t going to be getting data from a presidential campaign.
Beyond the presidential level, we also have congressional races next year which need the data (especially with redistricting), unit committees would benefit, and then you have the statewide campaigns and delegate races in 2017.
You are correct this data mining software exists and is becoming more accurate and sophisticated every year. It’s also becoming more widely used but typically by Democratic operatives. I won’t say most Republicans are information technology illiterates but frankly it’s close. You can collect all the raw data you want but that doesn’t make it information. A nuance and distinction many can’t seem to grasp when making the “data is good” argument.
Actually the GOP invented micro-targeting and data analytics as we know them today in 2004 when Karl Rove instituted the first large scale dynamic scoring of voter lists for issues and turnout propensity. How we went from there to being light years behind Obama in 08 is a damn good question. That being said, having worked with both Democratic and GOP voter targeting operations, the GOP is way ahead of the Democratic Party right now in every way except end user tools. GOP data firms are doing what the Dems do better and cheaper, but only at the top levels. The Dems give every campaign at every level roughly the same level tools. For the GOP its just the elite that get anything worth a damn.
I have as much credibility as people give me. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
As someone who has called me “the smartest political operative in Virginia” and said “Cuccinelli would’ve won if you ran his campaign,” you believed I had credibility until I said truthful, not nice things about your friend. Does that say more about you or me?
I heard that if there is a convention in a presidential year that a runaway planet would hurtle between the earth and the moon unleashing cosmic destruction. Man’s civilization would be cast in ruins, and that 2000 years later earth would be reborn, a strange new world rising from the old, a world of savagery, super-science, and sorcery. But one man will burst his bonds and fight for justice, with his companions Ooklah the Moc and Princess Ariel, he will pit his strength, his courage, and his fabulous sun sword against the forces of evil.
This is just a question without an agenda. Can Virginia have a closed primary without party registration? My limited experience in Maryland, that has Closed Primaries and Party Registration showed me that Party Registration is meaningless. People in Maryland can change their party affiliation every other day simply by sending a letter to their local board of elections. One day they are Republican; the next a Democrat, the next a Libertarian, etc.
If the party is organized as a private organization, then it would seem to me that RPV by keeping good membership information can set the rules for primaries, i.e. members in good standing for the last 6 months, for instance. This is similar to a Union election that only allows members of the union to participate. Not anyone with a pulse.
Having lived most of my life in Maryland thus voted there many times, I can assure you party registration is not meaningless. When you go to vote you get the ballot for the party you registered for; and ONLY that ballot. You cannot change horses in midstream.
Political parties are private organizations and thus for the most part can run their own parties as they see fit; that is codified in in our state law . (With one odious exception – the Incumbent Protection Act which needs to be overturned.)
But because primaries are run (and paid for) by the state – the state sets the rules. The political party has no input to those rules as to who can vote, etc in a primary. You’ve put your finger on the crux of the matter though: if the party wants to set the rules for who votes in their party’s nomination – the party must run the nomination process . And in Virginia that means a Mass meeting, party canvas, or convention.
I don’t know what you guys are arguing about. Thanks to Boner and the Turtle, the chances of a republican becoming president is severely diminished. Trump is the only one calling them out. What difference is Virginia’s election day going to make now?
Steve, while I appreciate the time and effort it took to take down strawman arguments, your myths don’t cover even half the reasons why conventions are a bad idea, nor do several of your points rebut or “bust” the myth, but merely talk around it.
Steve, enjoyed the article, and well reasoned. But what about the opposite, myths perpetrated by convention supporters? Primary sabotage, fundraising, exorbitant candidate filing fees, etc. Jaime used a number of pro-convention myths in her argument last month.
I have several slightly off topic questions. Since this apparently rests with the SCC what are the actual rules of order involved in debating and finalizing the option selection, majority vote or something else? Is there a set time limit allocated to discussing this specific decision or is it open ended? Has any material been preassigned for SCC member’s review regarding logistics or other time/cost related issues regarding the options? How much of any of these actions regarding the final vote(?) decision will be made available to potential interested Virginia Republican voters. What is the degree of transparency regarding this whole effort, will there be some type of voter communication plan that results from all this?
good questions
Since the SCC is the ruling body of the RPV I darn well hope this decision IS up to them, and only them. Who else should get to decide our party’s business?
As for your other questions, here’s the agenda for Sat – http://www.virginia.gop/event/scc-quarterly-meeting/ . The meeting is scheduled for 4 hours so this discussion and vote will probably not be a rushed job. Since the RPV adheres to Roberts Rules of Order (and based on my previous attendance at these meetings) those parameters will be laid out and voted of at the beginning of the meeting.
I recommend you come out Saturday and see for yourself what occurs. That’s what I plan on doing.
I see, I believe you have clarified this for me as I was under the misconception that this was some type of special session, which clearly it is not and will be handled as part of the meeting’s new business. I understand now.
Thank you for explaining a lot of points here, Steve. Here’s another misconception which needs to be debunked ..
MYTH – We have to hold a primary because otherwise in a convention our deployed military personnel won’t be able to participate and thus will be disenfranchized. (Please explain RPV’s new process to allow military delgates.)
I really appreciate you breaking things down and addressing so many points so well, Steve.
Thank you!
Thanks very much! Glad you liked it.
BTW after the Republicans passed Cromnybus, Obamanesty and yesterday Obamatrade, the hell with next year, what is going to motivate Conservatives to come out and vote for Republicans THIS YEAR? A Nominating Convention will result in Republicans losing control of the STATE SENATE this year and all it takes is one flip. I will quote one of the 2013 Republican State Delegates that took my poll – “Only a lunatic would abandon the Virginia Presidential Primary nomination selection method.” Here is another “I am already ‘turned-off’ by the way Republicans as an institution have handled themselves over the last several years, both in Virginia and nationally. Today, most Republican elected officials are a disgrace to conservatism, as are Republican Party behind-the-scenes string-pullers. I MAY NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN AGAIN! s/ One Pissed-Off Republican,” A Ted Cruz and Primary supporter.
Voting for a Presidential Nominating Convention with the Senate in play, is like playing RUSSIAN ROULETTE with a fully loaded REVOLVER!
How about this myth, that supporters of Conservative Candidates support a Nominating Convention? Check this poll of 622 2013 Convention Delegates 74% a PRIMARY including over 65 % in every CD in Virginia and a MAJORITY of Senator Ted Cruz’s and Senator Rand Paul’s supporters. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aqzbToL35uh67VSxpoEwUSEekTwDLItF1EStLZoRyoU/edit?usp=sharing
tbh, I think that after being educated by Steve’s mythbusting, many, like me, feel a lot more comfortable about a convention vs a primary, given only those two to choose from.
Steve’s a solid guy – I trust and appreciate his perspective, and he shares my goal of returning VA to a solid conservative base, and has made inroads to that end, including illustrating that the establishment is not invincible (Cantor)
Until remote voting from committees is implemented, I think I’ll go with the convention attended by better delegates elected by better committees for the time being.
YOU NOMINATED A LOBBYIST AT LAST YEARS CONVENTION! I have absolutely no faith in a Nominating Convention when Lobbyists would not be prohibited from attending a Republican Party Convention, even if they gave thousands to Democrats.
YOU NOMINATED A LOBBYIST AT LAST YEARS CONVENTION! I Need I say more?
I didn’t participate at all until the November election. Education of the process will open up opportunities to people to participate earlier.
We need to share that process with more people, teach them to avoid just waiting for the bad and worse choices fed to them on the ballot come November.
Yes, you need to say more.
Did you myth the point? (couldn’t resist)
You failed to address the fact that for every person that goes to the convention, 1000 solid Republican voters will feel like they have been denied a voice in the selection of the Republican candidate for President.
I understand that the nomination process is for the party to select its candidate, but average voters who are not involved in party politics don’t see it that way, and right or wrong will feel as though they are being pushed aside. I know this to be true because I talk to people on a regular basis and EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN VOTER I have talked to, outside the party, has been furious at the idea that they will not have a vote. At a time when we need to get more Republican voters to turn out, this stupid idea will cause even more of them to stay home.
Why do we insist on shooting ourselves in the foot?
The solution is to have a closed primary, and we should be working to make that happen rather than driving our own voters away from the polls.
James, when we have the opportunity to have a genuinely closed primary let’s talk.
Steve, having a closed primary will require a Republican majority in both houses of the legislature and a Republican governor. If we drive Republican voters away from the polls, it will never happen and that is exactly what is about to happen.
Really? This is going to do it?
It certainly didn’t stop Virginia from voting for the Republican candidate for president for 100% of the last 36 years we tried it. Since we have been using a primary, we’re at 50%.
Cause & effect? Discuss.
Do you really believe disillusioned Republican voters won’t stay home on election day? How did that work out for Mitt Romney? How many Presidential races have we won using a convention?
James, I believe we are wasting our time with these POWER HUNGRY people that do not care if they lose control of the State Senate. If they vote for a Nominating Convention, I will not help any of the FIVE targeted Republican Senate Candidates as it will be an exercise in futility. They really do not believe that voting for a Nominating Convention will guarantee the Democrats take control of the Senate. If they realize that they have to vote for a Primary, if they don’t be prepared to tell them “I told you so” and work with the Establishment guys that tried to oust them last year. You know the saying, “The enemy of my enemies is my friend” Next year they will no be going up against Establishment guys trying to purge them from power but CONSERVATIVES. I already have 458 delegate email addresses across the state that support a Primary. They do not listen to them on June 27th and vote for a Nominating Convention, they will be back with friends next year to help us do some SPRING CLEANING!
John, you’re really exasperating. Do you not realize that the current members of SCC were elected by thousands and thousands of conservative delegates to support conventions? We’re doing what we were sent to SCC to do.
Further, you say “I will not help any of the FIVE targeted Republican Senate Candidates” if there is a vote for a Convention? Isn’t that trying to fulfill your own prophecy? How does the Cruz campaign feel about your threats to withhold support from our nominees?
Well, I guess we’ve identified one of the arsonist threatening to burn the house down if he doesn’t get his way. Do you people see yourselves?
Not when people like you oppose registration by political party and a closed primary, because YOU and others like you lose power. You are a member of the SCC, why don’t you put up a RESOLUTION urging Republican members of the legislature to allow simple Registration by political party where the Party can vote for who can participate and the method of nomination. You want a real MYTHBUISTER, the idea that Democrats cannot vote in Conventions, only members of the Democrat Party that contribute to Democrat candidates and on the rare occasion they participate in a Democrat Primary, other than that any voter that votes Democrat in General elections can vote. Have you forgotten Jeb Bush’s Lobbyist Network? He becomes the immediate FRONTRUNNER. Last year the Republican Nominee was Nominated in a Convention and was a LOBBYIST. Not my idea of a Small Government Conservative. I bet there were plenty of lobbyist there supporting one of their own.
There are many disenfranchised conservative voters who would rather affiliate themselves with the TEA Party, Libertarians, or other independents than sign their souls to the type of establishment party that the Republican party has been teetering on being.
You’d cement their disenfranchisement and secure the Republican Party for the RINO’s if you went to a registered party system with closed primaries.
Educate the electorate, scout out conservative candidates, and avail the process to the educated voters trained to participate earlier than just November, and watch and celebrate the restoration of fiscal and social conservatarianism.
wonder if we are social liberals? do you welcome us in the Republican party?
I probably would not, but the Libertarian-ish in me would be unlikely to make a law against you; just unlikely to enshrine, mandate, or finance you.
that is a little exclusionary, don’t you think? First, your candidate will run as a Republican–that is roughly 47-48% of the voting population (or less). subtract from that all social liberals & you have lost at least 1 or 2 percentage points. This makes getting elected even more problematic.
I am who I am – you agree and align with me or not.
You are who you are – I agree and align with you or not.
If you’re not content with me leaving you alone, then go, be happy, be free.
If you want allies who enshrine, mandate, and finance what I disagree with, then it makes sense for you to go elsewhere.
If I win by compromising my beliefs and principles, then I didn’t win at all. I just agreed to lose by winning with your help.
good luck making laws to exclude those who support equal rights for gays (wait for the SCOTUS ruling this month which will clarify the marriage issue) or pro-choice advocates (see SCOTUS rulings on this point).
read in the Republican creed the language “equal opportunity”
A gay or straight man can marry a gay or straight woman.
A gay man or woman can enter into whatever personal contractual relationship with another gay man or woman, but it ain’t marriage, as that’s a specific familial arrangement between a male and a female.
Whether hetero marriages should be afforded gov’t benefits or privileges might be debated.
Whether gov’t should be approving/licensing any relationships should most certainly be visited.
As long as they did not contribute to a Democrat Candidate or participate in a Democrat Primary, they are welcomed to attend a Nominating Convention and even vote for a Republican Party Chairman in a Mass Meeting, how stupid is that!
so principles matter not, how disappointing – only oath and allegiance to the party, no matter the platform which is subject to the direction of the wind and the extent of the tide. hmmm…
What the Hell do PRINCIPLES have to do with a Nominating Convention, whoever brings the most LOBBYISTS to the Convention wins. A Nominating Convention is not about principle, unless, your Principle is to make it harder for the average CONSERVATIVE VOTER OF VIRGINIA to vote and participate in the Nominating Process. I am TOTALLY CONVINCED that most LEADERS of the RPV do NOT want to GROW the Republican Party, for if the Party Grows, those in POWER LOSE POWER, plain and simple. I walk door to door and I can tell you, just as James mentioned earlier, CONSERVATIVES that are not active in the Republican party are down right hostile to the idea of traveling large distances to vote. As the State Coordinator for Virginia Grassroot Cruz revolution, https://www.facebook.com/groups/grassrootscruzvirginia/, MOST of Senator Cruz supporters are OUTSIDE the Republican Party. I guess you never were asked by a Conservative voter, “Why do I have to go to Richmond to vote?” My response was because people like YOU do not want them to vote, and YOU know that is TRUE! She had a dance recital for her daughter to attend, and last year I did not attend because my stepson graduated High School that day. A Nominating Convention is ANTI-FAMILY and therefore ANTI-REPUBLICAN in the 21st CENTURY. You need Conservatives to vote in November and make it harder to allow Conservatives to participate in the NOMINATING PROCESS. YOU ARE USING CONSERVATIVES not growing the party.
i was responding to ChristCrusader. he/she says below that he/she would be unlikely to make a law against me.
while it would be hard for me to stomach voting for a Dem, many young people are so tired of the Republican war on social liberals that they are doing just that: voting for Dems.
PURE BS! Registration by Political Party makes it easier for insurgents to challenge Incumbents, because the poll of voters is smaller. I guarantee you that when people have the opportunity to register Republican ONLY Conservatives would register and you would not have to have an organization, they would come out to vote on their own and the ESTABLISHMENT will lose, no matter how much money they spend! Ironically it is the LIBERTARIANS that are more concerned with preserving the Nominating Convention and THEIR CONTROL and the ESTABLISHMENT/INCUMBENTS that oppose Registration by Political Party because they would be held accountable to REPUBLICAN voters. The BIGGEST joke is the mass meeting where any registered voter can vote for the CHAIRMAN OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. How STUPID IS THAT! Whoever can bring the most friends and family to a Mass Meeting is elected Chairman. I added the question about Registration by Political Party and a closed Primary when many people made comments about that, nearly 80% of 2013 Republican State Delegates support Registration by Political Party and a closed Primary! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aqzbToL35uh67VSxpoEwUSEekTwDLItF1EStLZoRyoU/edit?usp=sharing
You’re truly off your rocker if you think Jeb Bush has a better chance in a Convention than in a primary.
Well said James!
imho it’s upon us to host public and private civics lessons to educate conservatives how to participate to the max in the process so that they understand the legitimate roles available to effect restoration.
Raise the level of the electorate, rather than lower the process.
Closed primaries require commitment to a party which is anathema to many of us voters.
We want the freedom to vote our conscience, not to join a club.
good luck with educating the electorate
np, I’m one being newly educated.
It’s possible.
Jefferson preached that it was the only way.