Doug Coon is a constitutional conservative from San Diego, California and the host of the Stay Right podcast. In his 27th podcast, Mr. Coon, who is an avowed #NeverTrumper, addressed the budding #GOPExodus movement, which I wrote about in The Necessities of Conservative Action, saying, “I didn’t participate in the #GOPExodus because I am the GOP”. His attitude of taking ownership of the Republican Party and for the fate of the Republican Party is exactly the kind of attitude I’ve been hoping to find among Ted Cruz supporters, like myself.
Mr. Coon does ask, however, that all constitutional conservatives reach out to the Chairman, Committeeman, and Committeewoman of their State Party and strongly encourage them to replace Reince Priebus. (In Virginia, this would be John Whitbeck, Morton Blackwell, and Cynthia Dunbar).
In August, Politico reported that Carly Fiorina was possibly, however quietly, pursuing the Chairmanship of the Republican Party.
Carly Fiorina’s quiet outreach to state party chairs in recent days has top Republicans speculating that she’s laying the groundwork for a Republican National Committee chairmanship bid. Fiorina’s advisers have reached out to more than a dozen state parties telling them that the former GOP presidential hopeful is prepared to help in “any way,” offering up her personal phone number, and informing them that she would like to connect with their respective state party chairperson.
I agree with Mr. Coon that Carly Fiorina would make an outstanding Party Chairwoman and I would join him in asking all constitutional conservatives in the Commonwealth of Virginia to reach out to John Whitbeck, Morton Blackwell, and Cynthia Dunbar and encourage them to consider alternatives to Reince Priebus (and let them know you’d love to see Carly Fiorina hold that position too, if you do).
While I disagree with Doug Coon regarding his principled refusal to vote for the Republican Nominee, I fully understand his reasons. I neither disagree with his principles nor his reasons, but I believe his position is wrong as a matter of strategy and as a matter of practicality. Abandoning the nominee, as so many of our establishment friends have done at one of the other Virginia blogs, will not improve our chances at nominating a constitutional conservative in 2020.
In fact, by arbitrarily (and foolishly, I would argue) refusing to support Trump we are creating an entrenched opposition to any candidate who picks up the conservative banner in 2020 or 2024. By refusing to support Trump, we are ensuring that, even if by some miracle we do get our candidate nominated, our calls for party unity before a general election will fall on deaf ears and hardened hearts.
That said, Mr. Coon’s message, which permeates his podcasts, promotes the thoughtful, methodical, knowledgeable, logical and rational attempt to convert moderates, millennials, and democrats to constitutional conservatism. The vast majority of Americans already live their lives according to the values and experiences upon which conservatism depends. The vast majority of Americans already want to be free, to have their constitutional rights protected and to work and prosper in a free economy.
The problem, which Mr. Coon is insightful enough to point out, is that many people have simply adopted a collection of premises and beliefs about the world that are not true. As constitutional conservatives, we need to thoughtfully challenge those beliefs.
I share Doug Coon’s experience of having that light bulb go off, where I realized the way I viewed the world was horribly and disastrously wrong. I cannot even imagine thinking the way I thought twenty five years ago. Conservatism is not an ideology, as Mark Levin has often explained. Conservatism is a collection of beliefs formed in response to hundreds of years of human experience. Conservatives have not always been capitalists, republicans, or classical libertarians (lovers of liberty), but they have always been the protectors of the best political wisdom of their age.
We are not seeking a utopia or an ideal. We accept that the world is what it is and that Man is what He is. Instead of trying to institute a government which rejects Nature and which rejects or dismisses the nature of Man, we instead have committed ourselves to the pursuit of understanding the world and our own human nature and incorporating those lessons into our system of government and our way of life.
Reince Priebus is not a conservative. The current Chairman of the Republican Party does not promote the lessons learned through hundreds of years of trial and error. His chief concern is whatever grows the Republican Party with the least amount of effort. Does he seek to grow the Republican Party by explaining and promoting those conservative, constitutional, federalist, and republican principles derived from enormous amounts of study and human experience? Of course not. That is difficult. That requires work.
No. Reince Priebus believes that the best way to grow the Republican Party is by adopting beliefs and politics popular outside the party. His philosophy of leadership could best be described as, “If you can’t beat ’em. Join ’em”. Reince Priebus’ leadership and strategy will not only remain disastrous for constitutional conservatives, but for the entire Republican Party if it continues to offend its base.
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Carly did a nice job of drive HP into the ground.
Guess she could finish off what is left of the GOP.
I’ve voted GOP since 1980, I’m voting Trump and Yes for Right to Work
And all other blank, screw the GOP. no more.
Regular Order,, my __
For some time now, I’ve heard far too many calls to General Quarters to handle the latest crisis, and no vision towards which conservatives can aim. Happy to see us getting out of November and (finally) thinking ahead.
Why don’t you just call Carly and ask her for a job? After sending 30,000 jobs offshore, I feel sure she saved one just for you.
You’re obviously trolling (as in fishing) for a decent establishment job by writing what you do in BE. And, after your Sarvis routine went up in smoke a few years ago, well you know what I mean….not going to be easy…..
Middle-class America don’t want your idea of conservatism. They want their blank blank jobs back from communist China, and their blank’in borders back. They want Mexicans to have their blankin’ mailboxs in Mexico.
They want things like the Canadians got, healthcare, borders, affordable higher education. Trade agreements stacked in their favor. Sure, we got more bombs, more WMD’s, but they got the middle-class life style. Sure we got the weather.
You keep talk in’ the same BS, using the same establishment BS. You know what, maybe if Cruz would have run as a Canadian, and promised to make America more like Canada, he mite have won.
Your establishment writing ain’t never going to give us what the Canadians have. I don’t care about constitution this or that, Democrat or Republican, black or white. Who is quitting, or being replaced. I want what the Canadians have, except the weather.
Trump told us what middle-class America wanted last year. You said no way. The establishment said no way. Not with their money.
There are ways that you could have the kind of government that Canada, Denmark, Norway, and Sweden have. However, you’re not going to have it here – at least not as long as the capitalists still hold any power and as long as the American People remain armed and free. Democratic Socialism and Egalitarianism are suicidal pursuits belonging to men and women who either cannot stand reality and want to live their lives trying to avoid it and who wish their governments to do the same, or simply by men and women who absolutely refuse to take responsibility for their own lives.
Also, I do wonder if it is possible that you can be so hypocritically hysterical that you can call me establishment for opposing what the Republican Leadership has been moving the Republican Party toward for decades.
See, there you go, calling me a hypo, when it is you who on one hand say you oppose where Republican Leadership has been moving. Then on the other hand, you want Fiorina to be the leader of RNC?
The only place Republican Leadership is moving is to destroy the middle-class.
Trump has said that will change will him. We do not know. But, we do know about Hillary.
Nobody could pick a person further from where the Republican Party needs to be, than Fiorina. Install what amounts to an American job destroyer as head of the RNC.
You are out of your mind. I don’t even take you serious anymore. First Sarvis, then O’Malley, then Goldman Sachs, and now Fiorina.
I’m betting the Democrat Party is wishing like hell that they had O’Malley as their nominee. I have no idea what Trump is going to do. He’s contradicted himself so many times that he could serve as well as Reagan or as well as Wilson. I have no idea. I do know exactly what we’ll get with Hillary Clinton, which is why I’m fine with voting for Trump. I’ll take an uncertain unknown over a terrible known any day of the week.
I know that the Trump Supporter is excited right now. You think that you’re taking over the Republican Party and that your dreams of universal healthcare, paid-leave, and big government protectionism are on the cusp of reality.
However, do not expect capitalism and constitutionalism to go down without a fight. I’m a practical guy. I accept that the Republican Party is big enough to include people who love Donald Trump, David Duke, and Jeb Bush. I accept that in the course of discussing ideas with Republicans that I’ll have to come in contact with and dialog with their supporters.
I also understand that I will have to support candidates with whom I do not fully agree, but who are acceptable. I admit, there was a time when I believed that voting for Libertarian Candidates was an important way of indicating tot he Republican Party that they needed to move further toward capitalism and constitutionalism – but it became clear that there were too few libertarians to make a difference. It also became clear that the Libertarian Party wasn’t serious about promoting an agenda which could actually work its way through an American legislature. So it was easy to walk away.
You’re being patronizing.
How so?
“I know that the Trump Supporter is excited right now. You think that you’re taking over the Republican Party and that your dreams of universal healthcare, paid-leave, and big government protectionism are on the cusp of reality.”
Or it’s an unfair generalization.
It is a generalization, which means that it isn’t always the case. But I don’t think we can say that its unfair though. Tariffs, universal health care coverage, paid family leave, and protectionism are pretty important to most Trump supporters, no?
No. Entitlements have practically nothing to do with Trump’s rise. Maybe some of the protectionism you can relate to his approach on trade deals, but otherwise those issues are 2nd tier to most Trump supporters. Immigration policy has got to be in top tier, homeland security is another, and not being Hillary Clinton is also pretty close to the top.
Trump people want fairness and to no longer have the game rigged against Americans.
Dissembling doesn’t work with this group.
You sure put a serious amount effort into telling Mr. Tucker you don’t take him seriously.
Yea, I actually feel sorry for him. No respect for the middle-class American worker.
I am imposing a ban on myself. I will no longer read or comment on Mr. Tucker’s chicken scratch.
The ban is in effect until Mr. Tucker finds respect for populists, and the middle-class American worker.
He needs the populists a lot more than they need him. He brings nothing to the bargaining table but self-destruction for populists.
Goodbye Mr. Tucker!
Mr. Tucker…I like it!
Thank you Sir.
I like Carly, but if Trump wins she clearly has a conflict of interest. Priebus, as much as I disliked him, has got to be given credit for negotiating the party through all this tumult. His suggestion that some petulant republicans leave the party and not receive future party support is really a rather minimal punishment suggestion and is or should be consistent with party principles. I certainly don’t what money I give to be used by people who are acting like spoiled brats yet demand compromise when the shoe is on the other foot.
Carly and Trump would make a great team.
Cruz picks Carly, Trump picks Pence.
Carly was the headliner for Barbara Comstock fundraiser in the west.
I’m going to go with the less creepy conservative.
I do like Governor Pence, but I’m not talking about who should be VP. I’m talking about someone who could wisely manage the Republican Party.
But you are — and you think that the VP choice of Mr. Divisive should head up the RNC and is a good thing for Conservative Republicans.
I think you’re really out of touch with the non-Cruz GOP and your positions reflect a skewing toward conservative against the GOP.
I agree. However I doubt their egos would mesh.
That’s true of almost everyone in politics. Big Egos. However, Carly would probably form very healthy relationships with the state parties.
I’m beginning to think I should offer a Trigger Warning before mentioning Ted Cruz’s name. The mere mention of his name appears to send people into a fit of apoplectic hysteria.
I too have noticed that. If Cruz’s name is in ANY post, that’s what readers will focus on. It’s bizarre.
No Rest For The Triggered
Why is that? He’s like the personality equivalent of Hillary Clinton.
His personality annoys me too, but I don’t vote for “the coolest” candidate or the most charismatic candidate. In other words, I’m looking for someone with a mastery in constitutional politics, not a reality TV star. But that’s just me. 🙂 I know the world has changed over the last decade.
He got 23% in Virginia. He is not the cup of tea for anywhere near the majority and has demonstrated all I need to see of his character. Yet I would support him if he were the nominee. But he’s not so I don’t.
Joshua Green:
“Well basically, what we did is we teamed up with the data science firm, Optimus, to go in and find the most intensely pro-Trump, pro-Clinton areas in Ohio, went there. And just went and talked to ordinary people. Not rally-goers, not to politicians. And what we found, I think, really explains the story of the race. And the most pro-Clinton area was a stretch of neighborhoods in southeast Cleveland, heavily African-American. They’re for Clinton, but they’re not really excited about her. Time and time again people would tell me, well, we’re going to vote for her, we never considered Donald Trump, but you don’t feel the passion here that we felt for Obama in ‘08. The most pro-Trump district, surprisingly is Youngstown, Ohio, very blue, labor-friendly area, and what you see there, I think, is a story of what’s happening, what is pushed Trump into the lead in Ohio. You’ve had thousands and thousands of Democrats switch registration in the spring. Vote Republican in the primary for Donald Trump. So Trump is turning Democrats into Republicans.”
He is also turning the Republican Party Democratic. It’s an excellent model for winning elections though. Bill Clinton was also a master at campaigning from the populist center.
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If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em?
Trump will end up saving the GOP from itself, whether we deserve it or not.
How?
1) Help identify and purge the #nevers after the election
2) Unite the Congress against him
3) Force the Congress to take back power abrogated to the Executive
4) Give us a decent VP successor
5) Prevent the demographic surrender of our party.
6) Give us another couple of years of political relevancy.
He buys us time to get better. He is the UK in WWII.
I understand you being angry with the NeverTrumpers, just as I understand the NeverTrumpers hating the populists. However, if you people don’t find a way to get along and work together, the Republican Party is going to take a back seat to the Democrats for generations.
Except for the compact of the party.
When you have the enemy within, all bets are off. I have no reason to get along and work with oathbreakers who will not work for our common objective.
Many people supported Cruz (23% in Virginia.) Some of these are now the best of the best Trump supporters.
The #nevers are not those people — they are tyrants in waiting who claim special status because of their ‘principles.’
They are not better than the electorate, their ‘principles’ are not superior to mine, their ‘insight’ and forecasting about the measure of a man does not make them special nor allow them a higher degree of liberty.
The #nevers are anathema to the party and as oathbreakers are of no use to me nor anyone in the party where the coin of the realm is your word.
We will do fine without them, they have said #never, we will respond #sever.
The Republican party is turning the Republican party democratic — it is a systemic illness that you see manifesting itself in the party apparatus and apparatchiks. Every aspect of our party activities and events are more democratic than Republican — guess what happens then?
We leap in further left with Trump? 🙂
I don’t see the leftist bogeyman of Trump. I don’t see the Constitutional Conservative of Cruz — The truth lies somewhere down the middle, matches up with the electorate. This guy hits the mark: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/149983115751/why-trump-doesnt-scare-me
This election features global socialism versus popular nationalism. It pits tyranny against liberty, welfare against work, and multiculturalism against the cultural foundation of the western World.
We know which side Hillary is on and we hope Donald is on the constitutional side. I am under no illusions here and expect either candidate to cause real change that will impact the nation for decades. I go with hope rather than certainty as certainty is now raping and murdering much of Western Europe.
Popular Nationalism is jut as dangerous as global corporatist socialism – I’m still holding out hope for freedom as well – even though that hope dwindles every minute of every day. However, 4 years without a Democrat in the White House could change things. It would give Republican Legislators a chance to do all the things we asked them to do six years ago.
Although there is a lot I agree with, both in your previous article as well as the need for change, it seems premature to launch a chairmanship change in the 11th hour of an election. The path forward will become much clearer after we have digested election results in just 50 days. And I have no more patience to listen to neverTrumpers telling me the election is already lost. They have said it many times before and were quite wrong every step of the way so far. Let’s see what happens.
I don’t think the vote on a chairman is until February.
Whitbeck would be a better RNC chair than Carly.
I’m down with Whitbeck at the helm of the national party. Though he’d probably be pissed at you for even suggesting it. We Virginians are probably headache enough.
He truly is equally hated enough to become successful
That #WhitbeckCrimeSpree has certainly turned some heads lol
Priebus comes out against the oathbreakers who don’t support the nominee, the oathbreakers come out against Priebus.
Carly the Conservative is not one I’ve heard recently. You think she’s on the side of the angels here?
Any political endeavor that avoids reflecting the electorate is doomed to failure.
We’ve seen what happens when the 20% (if that is a real number) think that they represent the one true Republican conservative essence. Your 20% did not win and does not deserve the helm of leadership.
The 20% is just ticking off the rest of us and I won’t be supporting anyone who’s attempted to disenfranchise the voters and Republicans of Virginia.
We have no place for Nevers in the GOP/RPV — was true for Bolling, is true for Cuccinelli et al.
I agree with you about the foolishness of the #NeverTrump movement. You guys are good examples of a now entrenched opposition to anyone holding the constitutional conservative banner. This is exactly why I immediately came out and explained why I was going to vote for Trump after Cruz was mathematically eliminated. Not because I like Trump, but because if we don’t respect the will of the Republican Voters, we’ll never have a chance to win them over to a constitutional agenda.
But we (some of us, me) are Constitutional Conservatives. The #nevers are an awesome target for the ire of us Constitutional Conservatives AND the Trump populists, AND the party regulars. The #nevers ruined the chance for Conservative reform in the RNC and they frittered away their power on the SCC. You have wacky ‘conservatives’ choosing primaries and supporting primary people. You can’t have common cause with the ‘conservative’ jihadis holding a knife to the throat of the party.
We have no room for the politically obtuse within the party — if they couldn’t make the sale with their claimed constitutional conservative, they certainly won’t make many friends self-immolating.
No they won’t. Intransigence serves only to box oneself in and limit ones ability to work with people they don’t agree with on 100% of the issues. Most Republicans agree with me on 80% of the issues. I’ll never support liberal populists like Trump in a primary, because I know that capitalism and limited-government work. I know that a constitutional republic works better than a democracy. I know that democracy leads to chaos and eventually tyranny. So, people that believe in popular democracy and liberal idealism are inherently dangerous to the future security of the country. That said, the Republican Party is not currently a federalist, republican, constitutionalist, conservative, or classically liberal political party. It’s a corporatist party heading in a democratic direction. That said, Trump is still way better than Hillary Clinton and there is a better than 50% chance that Trump will nominate marginally more conservative jurists to the Supreme Court. So he’s got my vote.
The problem with being intolerable of the lesser of two evils means you then support and endorse the greater evil.
That is often the case.
I consider myself to be a constitutional conservative. Having said that, our most recent failed presidential nominees have been anything but constitutional conservatives. All have been big government aristocrats/elitists with the exception of Palin who has been roundly attacked since McCain lost.
I see a major realignment of both parties now clearly in focus. The Democrats hate the Constitution and any sense of American exceptionalism. They want a one world global order based on socialist premises. The Republicans currently in power don’t want to rock the boat and talk about the Constitution but when the politically correct rubber meets the road they cave like a cheap suit on a hot and humid day.
I don’t know if Trump can roll back any of the horrors of the decades of the ever leftward march of the country, but nobody else running has taken on the PC pushers and beaten them at their game. He is tough, becoming disciplined, is laying out some good ideas for success, and driving the leaders of both parties to distraction. The nevertrumpers are selling the country and the party down the drain because they can’t stand any change that upsets their apple carts.
Well, I agree with the NeverTrumpers that Donald Trumps elitist, liberal positions are extremely dangerous. But I also agree with you, that handing Hillary the keys to the White House is selling the country and the party down the drain.
I have a hard time believing that the never trumpers actually disagree with trump’s posotions so much as the just hate the guy for winning. Romney pushed Romneycare in Massachusetts, the precursor for obamacare. Bush 2 pushed compassionate conservatism, socialist policies abounded with the possibly exception of the Iraq war. McCain, at one point, was thought to be a good fit for the Democrat ticket. Bush 1 threw away the Reagan legacy to raise taxes against his constituent’s interests. Don’t know about Dole but Lindsey Graham is about as far left as you get in the GOP.
The GOP left hates trump and that is made all too obvious when the elder Bush thinks that he will vote for Hillary. No republican would do that but a RINO certainly would. A RINO who pledges to be an economic conservative but then turns around in the next sentence and says he or she is a social liberal. You cannot be both, unfortunately.
Agreed. When conservatives and RINOs begin taking sides together, i think that’s worth a reexamination of the issues. 🙂 No?
We really do need to go back to fundamental principles and ask if we actually believe in them or just give them lip service. For example, what should be done about social security and Medicare, what should be done about a failing public education system, and on and on. Nothing should be untouchable but almost all seem to be so when it comes to GOP leadership and political correctness. (What we have is all talk and no action except when it comes to their lust for growing government – and yet they complain that trump will grow government.)
We can’t even get simple things done and it is quite discouraging. Trump, for all his warts, has an action plan in mind. If government is going to grow, and it always does, we need more revenue not more debt. To get more revenue we need tens of millions of new businesses and jobs all paying taxes here – to hell with the globalist baloney and up with america.
I completely agree with you about the fundamentals and about the established entitlements – however, I do not believe that there is anything we can do to fix it in the short term. My great fear is that these entitlements destroy the country when they collapse. I would imagine that the American People would prefer a staggered and incremental deconstruction of unaffordable entitlements, but because no one believes they are going to collapse, we continue going full steam ahead (despite the CBO constantly warning us that what were doing is unsustainable!).
Now, about this globalism thing. Are you saying that you want to curtail capitalism and free trade, or are you saying that you oppose the global corporatist powers which are dictating “free trade agreements” that favor international conglomerates as opposed to the working class citizens of the national signatories?
Capitalism is freedom. Global capitalism cannot be dictated. Socialism is tyranny. Global socialism is totalitarian.
Or is it consensus? My observation is that if Conservatives and RINO’s are in congruence, it is nigh time to pay attention.
I don’t oppose “anyone holding the constitutional conservative banner”. I am one myself. As a conservative, the best candidate we have is Trump, so I will definitely support him. I haven’t been able to vote for a constitutional conservative presidential candidate in over 30 years, and even Reagan disappointed me at times. This cycle is nothing new. Let the neverTrumpers waste their lives waiting for Godot. I intend to keep supporting the best candidates we can get, everyday.
Agreed.
I am not waiting for a perfect candidate. I would prefer one that resembled a Republican. Over half of the candidates that ran would have been great. That was a big part of problem, the vote was watered down. That is how we got a nominee that had more people vote against him, than for him. Too many better choices.
I wish I could vote for the nominee. No one is more heartbroken than I am that Trump has flipped or “yugely softened” on every position that got him nominated. He was never a conservative, yes. But looking at his positions and proposed initiatives he is most definitely not a republican either.
Right. So your solution is to wait it out another few years until you find an acceptable Republican that deserves your vote. You can go on vacation until 2024, and in the meantime, the rest of us will decide who will be President.
The moment Trump became the nominee, Hillary Clinton won.
Even after the largest scandal and political history she still decimating Donald Trump. All the while he’s getting Republicans to go along with his radical leftist agenda.
You and the neverTrumpers have been wrong every step of the way. You said Trump would never win enough votes. You said the RNC delegates would dump him at the convention. You said he would be crushed in the polls.
Now that he has erased most of Clinton’s lead in the polls you still proclaim the election was over two months ago. You need not embarrass yourself further with your predictions. Just decide if you are going to participate or not.
We all would, but none of the candidates that ran were great, they were so-so at best, lackluster at worst.
The vote was not watered down, we had more Republicans voting for Trump than any other nominee in party history.
By your definition, Trump had less people voting against him than every other candidate (Each of the other candidates had even MORE people voting against THEM then for them.)
Any one that can’t win a primary can’t win the general — if you cannot persuade your own party, you won’t persuade the general electorate. The primary is your qualifier.
Trump signed and is honoring his pledge, you and some other party has-beens, are not.
You may wish how you want, and vote how you want, and Donald Trump, warts and all, is a better Republican than you.
That is the most insane, humorous thing I have read in this stream. You are a prime example of the damage that has already been done. These are the sad statements that make me even more confident that I am making the correct choice. You think a “Yuge Government” life long leftist is Republican just because of the letter (R). It is impossible to make an intelligent argument with thinking like that. Good luck to you and your “New Left Party” I pray that I am 100% wrong about Trump.
STAY RIGHT
That’s guy’s last name is micro-aggression.
Damn, I forget to issue a trigger warning. My apologies.
TBE is a Conservative/Republican safe space and the editors maintain a high standard of deplorability for inclusion.
lol
I stopped reading this when I saw that you are a CRUZ supporter, but then went back to see what you had to say— then & only after reading this again–I was right in the first place
We are not seeking a utopia or an ideal. We accept that the world is what it is and that Man is what He is.?—according yo who?—we survived for only 200 years of people trying to change who we are?– but in those 200 years–look at what we have achieved, yet now people are willing to throw all of that away– we stood with rightest indignation against the threat of other countries
only to fall prey to the greed of our own people?
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cruz showed his true colors and it was rejected by millions & millions all across our country
people are fed up with the cruz’s of our country–we need something different–Trump was the only one to offer it–THEY ALL HAD A CHANCE TO & FAILED— plain & simple
But Cruz enthusiasm is a good test for those who would betray our Constitution.
That is absurd.
No, not absurd, just not well known. The Constitution has qualifications for Representative, Senator, and President. They are not all the same. I expect Constitutional Conservatives to know these. The act of gyrating around the Constitution tells me all I need to know about Ted Cruz and those that support him for President.
The idea that Cruz, who was born to a US citizen overseas, isn’t constitutionally eligible to be president is patently absurd.
See, you dance too with your pre-supposition; ‘born to a US citizen overseas’ — why travel outside the Constitution?
The Constitution has requirements for each of the electeds – they are not all the same. There is a reason for this. I could have seen myself supporting Ted Cruz if he was actually eligible — you got 4 years to amend him in.
Patently absurd? Nothing patently nor absurd about it. The Constitution makes it patently clear what the requirements are — you choose a different interpretation and definition.
Why did the founders want a natural Born Citizen in the first place? What was it and why was it important?
We see with Obama what happens when we elect a person whose formative years have little to do with the USA.
Big difference between Canada and Indonesia.
I agree. Indonesia is governed under the Koranic rules of political Islam.. Canada is just a socialist experiment propped up by its geographical situation vis-a-vis the USA. If Canada were in Europe, they would be under attack regularly by the jihadists.
I didn’t see that in the Constitution — some birthplaces are more natural than others?
I was addressing you problems with foreign born citizens, not the Constitution.
So there IS some consideration that foreign born could affect the demeanor of the citizen?
Not considered by the Constitution.
Well you just pointed out that there is a difference between a citizen raised in Indonesia and a citizen raised in Canada did you not?
I did.
So logic would dictate there is a difference between being raised in the US or in Canada right?
So one’s upbringing/orientation can affect one’s temperament and demeanor? That environment does indeed play a role in character formation correct? When one is raised in Rome does one do as the Romans do?
Wouldn’t you agree that this is why the Constitution included the years as citizen in the qualifications for holding office?
Yup – but we’re talking sociology now, not the Constitution.
We’re examining the Constitutional requirements for office and why they are present.
The other requirements for House and Senate were to be a physical age and duration a US Citizen correct? This was to minimize an instance of a US Citizen being born yet raised abroad… in congruence with our sociological points raised above??
He is a natural born citizen.
What is a natural born citizen? And how does it differ from a US Citizen?
Hors-d’œuvre shit, Rocinante.
If it is required to compromise the Constitution to color Cruz eligible to be president, then the same people cannot be trusted not to be ‘more flexible’ with other aspects of the Constitution.
It’s like signing a pledge, or taking an oath, or giving your word — if you’re willing to weasel on that, how/why can you be trusted on anything else?
Conservatism has certainly been on the decline within our government and within our political parties. Part of what I was trying to explain about Priebus, is that he is only looking to “win”, but he isn’t looking to win with productive political agendas or ideas, but rather, simply by changing what Republicans “stand for” and then adopting popular democratic ideals in order to swing new votes.
Also, what is your problem with the piece?
Yes, a political whore, we kinda demand that of our leadership. How else can you explain Boehner, Ryan, and Comstock?
We consistently fail to educate our electorate as to how conservatism ‘rules!’ Freedom and Liberty will beat Bread and Circuses in the long run. (at least I hope so)
This is a point upon which you, Mr. Coon, and myself all agree. There are leaders in this party that focus on facts and thoughtful agendas, but who do not feel the need to bash everyone that disagrees with them. I’m sure if Mr. Priebus and I sat down to discuss healthcare reform, tax reform, education reform, etc., that we would agree on at least 80% of the solutions – the only difference is, I’m far more interested in seeing those solutions actually take place.
We live in hope.
Careful, Billy was from Hope, Arkansas
They will not take place with Hillary and the global socialists she represents. Heard today that about 5+% of the Clinton Foundation funds went to charity. Where did the rest go?
Sounds about right, but the Clinton’s can donate their money to themselves and write it off their taxes. Brilliant.
And they can decide exactly how much to skim. Even the mafia has to be impressed.
Unfortunately, not the history of the world. America is a unique experiment in individual liberty.
Given the facts, the American people will make the right decision.
That’s hardly ever been the case.
You missed it.
I think Trump is open to good ideas and his business background although not perfect has proven he acts on good ideas.
I agree, there is potential for good.